Can everybody design?

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by ekamarine, Apr 7, 2011.

  1. cthippo
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    Saw this Friday while looking for a place to launch to go shipwreck hunting. Proof that just because you can built it and it floats, it's not always a good design. The white picket fence on the fantail just sells it, IMHO.
     

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  2. philSweet
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    So you followed it around for a while? Thats cheating!
     
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  3. cthippo
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    This is the one I was actually after. This is the Windjammer, 65' LOA and has been sitting there for at least several years. She's on the Washington State Derelict Vessel Removal Program priority list, but then so are several hundred other boats. Usually I go look for these in my kayak, but I had hoped that I could put the rowboat in the water nearby and take mom with me to get pictures of it. Unfortunately, the place I though I could put in is behind a locked gate and the nearest suitable boat launch is a ways away and I'm not sure I want to drag two of us and a heavy rowboat that far across open water.

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  4. BATAAN
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    Here's an interesting designer/builder who seems to get by with less than most of us. He always looked like he had been shipwrecked and built his boat out of beach debris.
    I think the hull material involves resin and cloth of some kind, maybe.... He was around repeatedly so his boat did not drown him that I know of, so he must be a fairly sensible seaman in its use, if not construction, though that rather slighted aspect may be by pressure of economic circumstances or just a deeply, truly minimalist approach to life and living off of society's throw-aways, I don't know.
    The design, though, is a straight take off of a Polynesian reef-fishing canoe, and far from a new idea, so he's smart to know what to copy and just how well (or not) it has to be built to work well enough for his use.... Maybe the true minimum cruising design? What do y'all think of his design, remembering it is for sheltered waters and a benign climate.
    And another fellow who has adapted a Howard Chapelle lee-board design as a camp boat. This is obviously not an amateur design, but one of HC's better efforts, well along in years and still doing a job for someone.
     

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  5. cthippo
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    I wonder if the name refers to the boat or the status of it's owner?
     
  6. philSweet
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    cthippo, we all know that gambit. Leave a little old lady fishing in the boat while you do your -um- accident investigation. Let me guess- she has a cell phone too! You have my sincere best wishes in the endeavor and its nice to see due diligence in action.
     
  7. daiquiri
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    daiquiri Engineering and Design

    I wouldn't dismiss that one so easily.
    This is pure art: ;)
     

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    hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

    I wouldn't hang it in my living room, or closet either, for that matter. :)
     
  9. daiquiri
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    Me neither. But perhaps MoMA would. :p
     
  10. bigbowen
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    I havent read most of the answers here so I may be repeating some of the comments on here, but here gos.

    First of all, Are the amateurs not allowed to design, must all musicians be classically trained, must all books be written by someone who has a degree in English? must everything be left to the highly qualified?? How do you expect there to be ANY progression in design if there is no fresh ideas put out there?
    If pushed, I would bet that most people could come up with a boat of some description, agreed they may not be world beaters, but they would probably do an adequate job.
    How DARE you disrespect a fantastic majority of backyard boatbuilders/enthusiastic amateurs/curious public, Who on earth are you to decide that these people cannot design a boat of any worth compared to architects. agreed the architects boat may be technically correct,
    I would say one thing to you. Have some respect for the people around you, respect their opinions, respect their effort, respect their feelings, 'is it not an insult to naval architects' RESPECT! go learn the word and then come back to me
     
  11. DCockey
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    And some bridges are attractive and some are not. Depends on who designed the bridge and the requirements. Same for boats.

    Also some bridges can be designed based on previous experience and emperical or semi-empircal criteria, and some bridges need more detailed analysis. Same for boats.
     
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    hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

    Welcome to the forum. THe wood stays rough without sandpaper. I mean that as a compliment. :cool:
     
  14. bigbowen
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    Ive read a few more of your details here, now it makes sense, you dont want some lowly amateur taking a piece of your pie, you want to cruise around the med sneering down your nose at the prols struggling round in their 'abominations' to your trade is it?
    each person has their own preferences, eg. I dont particularly care for boats over about 20' long, I still RESPECT the ability it takes to design/build one, I can even allow myself a little jelousy when someone comes sailing past me in their gin palace on a beautiful day on the water, but thats not my tipple, I say that if it was all left to the qualified architects boats would become SUPREMELY boring, all looking exactly the same. DO you teach? because it sounds like your trying to teach us what to do, we have a saying here, Those who can, DO, and those who cant, TEACH, Think on son!
     

  15. bigbowen
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    beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I also mean that as a compliment pal
     
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