Burning salt water

Discussion in 'Hybrid' started by Bullseye, Jul 18, 2007.

  1. Bullseye
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    Here is supposedly the most current Tesla of our time.
    Using the ignition energy to split the H2O.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7BAODqqcpQ

    I was told the D.O.E.(Department Of Energy) stated 40% more energy in a unit of water as in the same unit of gasoline? Can anyone confirm.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9JagAv2nUE

    Many said you couldn't fly when the Wright Brothers were in the air. Stan calculated 22 gallons to trek from Ohio to Washington with this buggy.
    It's all very interesting.
     
  2. kerosene
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    Look

    If you could get more energy out of hydrogen created with microwaves/electrolysis/magic than the process took the last thing would be to burn it in internal combustion engines that usually have efficiency of around 30% at best rpm - if even that.

    If it really did work you would see people setting up powerplants. There are number of these con men who have gathered millions in investor's money but have little to show for it. And no the oil companies destroying the projects is not the explanation.
     
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    "A perpetual motion machine of the first kind produces strictly more energy than it uses, giving the user unlimited energy. It thus violates the law of conservation of energy. Over-unity devices, that is, devices with a thermodynamic efficiency greater than 1.0 (unity, or 100%), are perpetual motion machines of this kind."


    "In 1996, inventor Stanley Meyer was sued by investors to whom he had sold dealerships, offering the right to do business in Water Fuel Cell technology. According to The Times, Meyer claimed in court that his invention "opened the way for a car which would 'run on water', powered simply by a car battery."[1] The car would even run perpetually without fuel since the energy needed to continue the "fracturing" was low enough for the engine's dynamo to recharge the car's battery.[1] His car was due to be examined by the expert witness Michael Laughton, Professor of Electrical Engineering at Queen Mary, University of London and Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering. However, Meyer made what Professor Laughton considered a "lame excuse" on the days of examination and did not allow the test to proceed.[1] The Water Fuel Cell, on the other hand, was examined by three expert witnesses in court who found that there "was nothing revolutionary about the cell at all and that it was simply using conventional electrolysis".[1]

    On the basis of the evidence the court found Meyer guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered to repay the investors their $25,000.[1]"




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    and there are like 5 other recent inventors who all have "invented" electrolysis - which seems to still work in fooling people who are not familiar with the concepts. People see water vapor coming from exhaust and they think that this is the saving technology. common denominator for the water fuel cars is that the dudes collect money and tech never gets under proper scientific studies. Wrap in a conspiracy or two and you are set.
     
  7. skipjackbj
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    Perpetual motion question:

    If, an object like an electrical producing unit that say, put into motion in space. Spinning at a certain RPM.
    Would the unit continue to spin at the set RPM ? Thus putting out electrical current with out any device or moter turning the armature?
     
  8. kerosene
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    No.

    Let me see if I get this right - you suggest that we put some sort of dynamo spinning in space (or any place where it is totally isolated from other forces). If we assume that there is no mechanical resistance at all thing could spin forever - however the moment we try to get energy out of it it will slow down. Creating electric current is indeed going to slow down a rotor of a dynamo even if there was absolutely no physical connection.

    You cannot get something for nothing.

    A lot of people think that dynamo's and alwernators have resistance only from their mechanical design - this is not true at all. The very fact that you move a rod or coil in magnetic field (or magnet in coil) requires energy. The system will resist that movement and that apparent resistance is the energy that turns into electricity. Your car will indeed burn less fuel if you don't have your headlights on - will you notice it? probably not.
     
  9. skipjackbj
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    spaceed out power

    fair enough. Yet, in space, with no real need for bearings if the thing was balanced. Resistance would be low.

    So, some energy would be needed to continue the turbine type gen set going.

    Yet, I think in zero gravity the amount of power needed to boost the system now and then would be very low.

    The next problem would be to hang a long cord thru the the atmosphere down to my house....

    Guess we would just have to make a large ball on earth and project a form of lighting bolt.
     
  10. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    Unlimited free energy? Find a blackhole. In outer space!
     

  11. skipjackbj
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    Free energy boat

    Boats get free energy all the time.

    I spend lots of my energy working on them !
     
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