Buccaneer 24 Trimaran

Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by Samnz, Dec 1, 2008.

  1. outside the box

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    Buccaneer 24 plans are now available again.
    PM me if interested. OS7.
     
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    B24 plans

    Hi, New to the forums here but have been reading for a while. I would like to order the Bucaneer plans. When I've met the required number of posts I'll be sending a PM. Couldn't be more excited!
     
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    I was looking back in the forums and noticed that I've said many times ‘‘leeway prevention’’ or ‘‘leeward prevention’’ where I meant ‘‘leeway resistance’’.

    My inadequate grasp of the English language often makes a wrong word with a different meaning pop up into my mind and and unfortunately it gets stuck there till someone notifies me, and even then sometimes it returns.

    So, please have mercy on those who don't have English as their mother tongue and also don't live in an English speaking country.

    Other mistakes are caused when I'm wrong on the topic, the reader can not know what causes the mistake, in both cases I appreciate the effort of someone who informs me.

    So thanks OS7 [​IMG]
     
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    Angelique.
    You don't have to apologise . There are plenty of English speaking people who make much greater mistakes.
     
  7. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    OK thanks, now it's there for information what sometimes causes a sloppy description by me.
     
  8. Gary Baigent
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    Anyway Angel, you are correct; prevention, resistance - means pretty much the same thing. Only the pedantic (none here?) would have difficulty comprehending your anti-derive meaning.
     
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    Sorry Gary, I have to be pedantic here.
    My remark was not a criticism of Angelica. It was rather a criticism of people who think that a leeboard of any kind prevents leeway.
    I doesn't, and never can. It can only RESIST excessive leeway. It needs some leeway it'self in order to have some angle of attack, in order to produce a resistance to leeway.
    Historically, big monohulls had "Wineglass" sectioned hulls, designed to reduce leeway. They were (in in some cases still are), inefficient due to the induced drag and excessive wetted surface drag of their sectional shape.
    My sailboat design guru, the late Edmond Bruce showed that a sailboat hull should have minimum sideways resistance, leaving the leeway resistance entirely to a well designed foil.
    Derek Kelsall cottoned on to this and produced "Toria", a trimaran with semi-circular sections on hull and floats, for minimum resistance and dagger boards for leeway resistance.
    He won the round Britain race in 1966 with a lead of one and a half DAYS, which proved E.Bruce to be right.
    It also is the reason why the Buccaneer 24 is such a great performer to windward, and in light airs. :D
    Ideally all of our sailboats should be fitted with a leeway indicator so that the helmsman can hold the boat, by steering and sail configuration, to a leeway angle of 4 t0 6 degrees on all courses----- and that means tacking downwind.
     
  10. Gary Baigent
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    OS7, you are correct in that prevention means to prevent, meaning stop, no movement ... but in the case of leeway prevention, every swinging dick knows that a sail boat makes leeway ... so in your rigid case, prevention meaning zero leeway - is unrealistic in real sail world. Am I sounding pedantic? Definitely.
    Anyway, just having a little joke with Angelique about anti-derive - which in translation from French means, to me, against leeway. But could be wrong. Que pensez-vous, Angelique?
     
  11. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Thanks Gary [​IMG]

    You're right, I think everyone knows what is meant by ‘‘leeway prevention’’ but OS7 is right that in a technical discussion ‘‘leeway resistance’’ is more correct because it better reflects what is happening. I am glad that besides about boating I also learn the correct English terms here.

    Yes, ‘‘anti-dérive’’ means ‘‘against drift - drifting - driftage - leeway - etc.’’

    But my main language is Dutch . . :)
     
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    Seeing the 3D view of the boat it shows a sink and double burner in the cabin. Having looked at the available pictures I see nobody actually has any of these installed. Just wondering if this is more of a nice to have than feasible options due to the limited space in the cabin if considering the boat as an overnighter?
     
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    Which 3d view would that be ?
     
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    Lock sometimes drew an isometric projection as part of his plans. I have one for my Kraken 25 and it's a beauty. I gather that's what sailrob is talking about?
     

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    This three view i've seen. Sorry not 3 dimensional!
     

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