Buccaneer 24 Builders Forum

Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by oldsailor7, Jul 22, 2009.

  1. buzzman
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    Looks good, and well-looked after. Subject to a hull inspection I'd guess that was on the money, if not even a bit cheap....

    What do others reckon?
     
  2. oldsailor7
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    Yes that looks like a well built and equipped B24.
    My only criticism is the mainsheet arrangement which takes up too much cockpit space and could in fact be dangerous when gybing in a strong wind situation.
    It is interesting that the lazy jacks appear to be supported from the tips of the mast cross trees. :eek:
     
  3. PHTCA
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    Searching to build my own boat, found excelent information on this forum.
    I have not defined yet, but, or build a EASY, SIMPLE, CHEAP as possible catamaran, from 25 to 35, like bora bora 25 or coral sea 35 (Not found a esay model yeat), or a trimaran.
    I was searching for trimaran plans, found some beautifull and 21 century look alike as SCARAB AVALON 9, some good F-Serien etc. But, all said BUCCANEER 24 is the best for homebuilding/first time builder.
    I found the B28 plans forums, so, i want to build one.
    But, no thread about building B28, so, i will use this B24 to ask.
    i saw the pictures of the building of B24, so, if i try to build B28 is the same, just bigger?
    May i use GRP in the entire building? I can get some cheap wood for mould, so, make all GRP.
    Thanks.
     
  4. oldsailor7
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    The B28 as designed is made of plywood with multi chines. The B24 and B33 were similar.
    We made three B33s in foam/glass round bilged. However the designer, Lock Crowther, supplied the round bilge lines for us and we built a stringer/frame mould on which to lay up the F/glass sandwich hulls.
    Unfortunately Lock is no longer with us, so as far as drawing the round bilges for the B28---- you are on your own. :eek:
     
  5. redreuben
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    No need to go to round bilge for foam.
    Probably just lay up the panels on a formica table.
    Inside layup and foam only, assemble over foam bulkheads, fair and glass.
     
  6. buzzman
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    +1 - I f you've looked at Ray Kendrick's Scarab site, you'll see that he uses pre-glassed foam panels cut the same way as you would cut marine ply - only obviously the foam panels are thicker, so you need to adjust the measurements accordingly....
    And a mulkti chine bige is pretty close to a rounded bilge - much better than a flat bottom single chine hull like some of the "easy" designs.
    If you want "easy" have a lood at Richard Woods' designs - he has small tris and a few decent-sized cats, all desinged for ply construction as simply as possible.
    There is at least one guy rebuilding a B28 - the source of the plans that are available - so if you PM Sea Stallion he should be able to put you in touch.
    The plans you can download and get printed by an architectural plans printer.
     
  7. PHTCA
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    I was thinking about pre-glassed panels for the downside of the hulls, and a simple mold with the shape of the upper side of the central section. But, WHAT WOULD YOU CHANGE OF THE ORIGINAL B28 DESIGN? maybe lessons learned from the B24? Inside, i will change the shape like the SCARAB tri, some more MODERN view, but, overall design, what to change BEFORE to build?
     
  8. redreuben
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    I would build composite beams that plug into sockets in the main hull rather than the tubes, maybe add a chine below the waterline on the floats. If you want to change a lot then find a different design.
     
  9. redreuben
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    Why don't you just build a Scarab ?
     
  10. PHTCA
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    Why not scarab? good questions. Well, 5 reply for 1 questions.
    1- I have NOT SCARAB Plans, I sent an email to SCARAB asking for information, price, discount, not reply yet. I DO HAVE B28 PLANS. Customer service HAS NOT PRICE.
    2- Scarab Avalon 9 is a beautifull boat, but, not too much info internet or youtube.
    3- Better building support for the BUCANEER 24/28 on this forum.
    4- Is like to buils a PORSCHE 911 Turbo 76, CLASSIC.
    5- WHY NOT A B28?

    Will you expein more about your modifications on the #1448.
    This is my first boat and when i read CHINE i remember my friends when do not understand me say ARE YOU TALKING CHINESE?
     
  11. oldsailor7
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    In Toronto Canada during the 1970s there was a sailing body called the Cruising Yacht Racing Assoc. (CYRA). The 12 sailing clubs in Toronto hosted a race in turn, each Saturday of the sailing season. Monos and multis sailed together in their separate classes, with the smaller classes starting first and then bigger boats at 5 min intervals with the multihulls starting last. It was a fun time in the Toronto Multihull Cruising Club, which still exists today.
    We raced a Buccaneer 28, (a cruising Tri) and over a two year period we had 21 firsts, 2 thirds and 1 second. On overnight races we would sleep 5 crew in comfort. The B28 was a modern looking boat, even by today's standards. (see my Avatar). Ours was bog standard, no special mods or racing sails. The best boat I have ever owned. We built two, one for a Florida customer, so if anybody wants any advice on the building of this boat I am happy to oblige. :D
     
  12. PHTCA
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    Oldsailor, where i live, not a good source of marine grade wood, but, we do have VINYESTEL and some EPOXY resin, and cheap fiberglaqss mat. I will first try to draw all B28 plans to CAD (If anybody have it, please) and compare process. I read about INFUSION to build fiberglass, or vaccum bagging process. I used to work in a water cooling tower company that built their equipment in poliester fiberglass, same process diferent materials. So, i Do know about FRP (I was in engineering area, not production), so, i know i can build it, if i am sure. I am reading in PARALELL boat building, sailing technique and fiberglass, but, i am happy.
    As the guys from SCARAB, is good process to build a flat pannel of fiber, cut it as wood and build the boat, or, maybe i build mold with cheap wood to make a complete hull.
    What we Do need is a lot of construction pictures, from B24 and 28, all possible views.
    But, with your experience, WHAT WILL I NEED TO CHANGE IN THE DESIGN BEFORE TO BUILD?
    I will need it FAST BUILD, some SPARTAN design, with all easy electronic around. Example: I read about open autopilot, i can link a cheap GPS with a FANLESS cheap computer to read all information, make a cheap WEATHER SATTELITE RECEIVER, etc. Just to go weekend with family and maybe, 2 or 3 weeks trips in the Caribbean sea. Later, with more money and experience in the water, install all gadget we think we need.
    TO ME, this is the problems of the NEW designs, too complex. The new designer think BIGGER, MORE STUFF, COMPLEX BETTER, and have forgotten the words of DAVINCI, SIMPLICITY IS THE ULTIMATE SOPHISTICATION.
     
  13. oldsailor7
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    PHTCA, how many in your family.?
    B24 sleeps 3. B28 sleeps 5. Both designs are very seaworthy and do not need any modifications, although the pivoting centreboard design of the B28 can be used in the B24 for more convenience.
    Both boats are easy to build but obviously the B28 will take longer and be more expensive.
    As Buzzman & Redreuben have said you can lay up f/fglass in flat panels and use them as though they were plywood. Would work well. :D
     
  14. buzzman
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    Scarab desinger Ray Kendrick is not a huge fan or email, and is usually in his shed building more boats, but he does reply to emails, especially if you have bought a set of his plans.

    I have a set of plans for the Scarab 18, and Ray's production method is to build a strongback with several bulkhead-like frames, pre cut ot the multi-chine shape of the hull, to which the individual panels are temporarily 'tacked' while they are glued to gether and the chines taped.

    For the Spanish (Portugese?) translation of this word I am not sure, but it means the sharp edge where two panels in a hull meet. Flat-bottom boat is normally single-chine - one chine where the bottom meets the sheer (sides); while a multi-chine design has multiple number of 'edges' where panels meet, and is the traditional method of building in ply or sheet material.

    So if you like Ray's Avalon 9, buy the Study PLan set - whiihc is cheaper than the full plans - and study the deisgn and the strongback method of construction. Is very simply.
    Hope that helps... :)
     

  15. ThomD
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    The Scarab plans are very complete, you won't need a lot of support, though answering the forum more than once every 6 months would be great. At 100 dollars, asking for any further discount is an insult, of massive proportions. I did get discounts from Ray, when he was selling the plans only with the full size drawings. But the current versions are the best single deal ever.

    Forums are a mixed blessing, there is an incredible richness of information available, but, a lot of it is nonsense, at the level of the actual project. Local conditions and materials are still a huge factor, and one has to get into a project and make it happen. Learning 3 million ways to do something none of which make any sense at one's own level, is not much use. And between internet time, and other stuff like TV, most people have no time to build anything.

    There is also a huge amount of talk about all the changes that will be made from the plans, as though the whole thing was an open concept. People who need the help of a million advisors, probably should not contemplate any changes to a design whatever. We all make changes, but beyond a certain point it gets easier to just draw up one's own plans. That is the best build you will ever do, but it pretty much kills any chance at resale.

    The main problem I have with the Scarab plans is the weight of the resulting boats, which is also a cost issue. But weight is not all bad either, and the overall design should be looked at, moreso than comparisons to some other boat that might be done differently. With the Scarab plans Ray's builder has made a number of boats with foam that were designed in ply, like the current 32. So info on conversions is out there. I don't like cutting glassed panels, particularly in the same general area my kids live in, but some foams like corecell, might be up to the panel work without pre-glassing.
     
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