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Bucc 28

I read the Bucc 28 thread
It truly does have just about everything I want
Talked to OS7 said plans are a possibility by sept also a 4x increase in build time.
any views on that ply.
Will have to see the plans for the 24 I can spend my time designing other things that will be able to transfer to the 28 ( immersion cooled dual core atom ship compu running opencpn, xmbc and emulators) before i start building either. Hopefully the 28 plans come through.

 

I think you need to whack together a Piver. ( plans available from the Mariners Museum). If you want to upgrade go to a Cross or Horstman. If a cat Woods or Wharram. Better yet adopt an old boat and find out if the life is for you, there are very affordable boats out there especially for those willing to travel. Using a Bucc 24 to live on is like calling your mountain bike a live in RV, if you load up all your stuff will it still roll let alone pedal?

 

Charles,

The ply is not such a significant cost in the scheme of things, what it is however is permanent you can upgrade sails, rig, and electronics but once the structure is built thats it ! Buy the best you can afford ! And given your usage I would suggest that cheap heavy ply is the last thing you need as it will chop into your payload.

RR

 

Cats, I would look at Woods, Simpson and Waller for your needs.
RR

 

Cav is right, either build from plans or find a reasonable condition Piver Nugget (they're 24 feet) and strip/repair/change/tune it up. They go very well with an essential main hull daggerboard, or even boards in the floats. You'll get plenty of woodworking practice and will end up with a fine craft.

 

Sorry Charles, didn't see the link to the plywood : I think it's rubbish but others on here will disagree. Yes it's cheap, you get what you pay for !

RR

 

Thanks for the ply review.
If i remember correctly early on bruce mentioned lengthening the floats and transom by 2ft as adding about a day of labor and a few hundred dollars in material seemed worth it, later on I believe someone mentioned a way to extend cabin 2ft.
I have long since considered wharram and the woods
gypsy and the pahi 31 paticularly.
At this size range cats dont seem to have near enough headroom and seem to have a build time up in the 1000's.
I have contacted the museum for nugget plans I figure there on break for independence day and will get back to me in a few days.

Do you all really and truly believe that the bucc 24 cant be a liveabord.
I have spent the past year and a half living out of a duffel bag in various small rented rooms.( spent periods restricting myself to just that room to see if i could handle it) Have spent 2 months Living out of a small back pack in central america ( around 15 x 13).
I am also a fervent miata lover and have not owned a total of anything that couldn't fit in my miata's trunk when i decided to move every few months this past year and some.
I'm sure I'm going to have some more questions and insights by the time I'm done reading (about 10 more pages to go for this thread)

Thanks for the replies and advice

 

Charles,
I reckon this might suit you http://www.thecoastalpassage.com/cheapcat.html
RR

 

Thanks

I remember this one, designer said it was just a coastal cruiser. I am under the impression that the buc 24 is more seaworthy (am I wrong and the 24 is coastal too). Thanks for the link though at 900 hours it does seem like alot more boat for the labour hours. Though seems to have a much higher material cost in comparison.
Bucc builders what have your material cost been so far. 8 pages left (got sidetracked researching used gov surplus parts for a wind gen)

 

Charles, I've known blokes who have lived in far tighter boats than a B24; one of the owners of Demon Tricycle (23 foot and a lot meaner, see jpeg) lived aboard that boat for long periods and sailed it large distances around the North Island coasts. I also knew another who lived in a broken, half sinking M Class (18 foot) but that was an extreme case; it eventually broke up so he built a small raft and moved onto that. And then again, there are those incredible but painful sea crossings on those 7 to 11 foot boats. So anything is possible. Look at all the mini Transat 6.5 m boats too. IMO, check out Piver Nugget, more room than a Wharram.

 

There is a set of Piver Mariner plans on Ebay very cheap.
http://cgi.ebay.com/TRIMARAN-MULTIH...324?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item33692fd454
The Mariner is around 1700 lbs displacement, 25' long, 15' beam and 19" draft. It has a centerboard. I doubt it is anywhere near as fast as a Buccaneer, but I think it would be more livable.

 

Csc 30

Taking a much harder look at the cheap cat.
Problem is I cant seem to find any build logs or forum mentions of anyone actually building one seems srange to me does anyone here have a link.

 

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Charles, I really like my 24, and I wouldn't mind doing some short term cruising on one (even mine with no cabin), but the realities of actually cruising often require more equipment/supply storage than a Buc 24 can carry. You might not need but a backpacks worth of gear, but the boat needs several hundred pounds of equipment to "go places". You really would be maxed out and the 24 does not like being overloaded- not even a little. I consider it a good coastal boat when properly built and equipped. My suggestions of stretching the boat were for speed only and might actually reduce its load capacity. Chose your project carefully. B

 

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Thanks for the quick attention, I think maybe a combination of the two ideas. I do have good flat surfaces to work from so using the foam beds seems viable, and I do need the spar anyway and had expected to install something. Gary, how do I keep the spar straight when I lay it up, and where do the 5 layers go? I have the carbon uni, but I am really a novice at combining glass, carbon and foam, and all of these parts are much smaller and lighter than I am used to working with. B

 

On the Piver plans contact the photography department. I think you could build a bigger Piver for the same money as a Bucc 24 because of its aluminum beams. People have sailed Nuggets to Hawai from California but bigger is better. I was thinking of 28' Escort? 30' Nimble, 32'Herald......If you overload a bucc the Piver is the faster boat.