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Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by oldsailor7, Jul 22, 2009.

  1. John Jolly
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    Rattus, what a great geometry program, Ive downloaded Cinderella 1.4 and it looks to be very helpfull, I will have a little play with it over the next week or so.
     
  2. oldsailor7
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    SORRY.
    I should have explained.
    You get a copy (or two) of sheet #1 from your local print shop and use the spike wheel on that. :eek:
     
  3. diegokid
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    Prints

    Prints shops will copy them for a reasonable price. Since my eyes aren't what they used to be I even had some enlarged to use for study plans. Everytime I read something and then look at the plans something else makes sense.

    Other projest is going slower than I want due to the severe cold we are having due to global warming.:)

    Anyone remember tha ice age threats in the 70's?
     
  4. oldsailor7
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    Johnny, I had a"helper", ( who turned out to be only good for holding things).
    He would only work till Fri and then went off to Sarnia for the weekend with his buddy. As a result he was not much use on Monday mornings. :rolleyes:
    Nevertheless we knocked out the boat in six weeks for a total of 486 man hours.
     
  5. John Jolly
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    OS - maybe a copy or three or four or five or more - the full size plans sheet of the frames clearly show the drawings of the frames intersec over each other several times - running a spiked wheel and copying just one or two frames will shread the plan at the intersections.

    Why buy copies of the plan ? Why buy a spiked wheel ?

    I am sorry, but I tell it the way it is!
     
  6. oldsailor7
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    Good OnYa John.
    Different strokes for different folks. :D
     
  7. John Jolly
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    Johnny, The Ten Commandments of Marriage

    Commandment 1
    Marriages are made in heaven. But, so are thunder and lighting.
    Commandment 2
    If you want your wife to listen and pay strict attention to every word you say, talk in your sleep.
    Commandment 3
    Marriage is grand - and divorce is at least 100 grand!
    Commandment 4
    Married life is frustrating. In the first year of marriage, the man speaks and the woman listens.
    In the second year, the woman speaks and the man listens.
    In the third year, they both speak and the the neighbours listen.
    Commandment 5
    When a man opens the door of his car for his wife, you can be sure of one thing: Either the car is new or the wife is.
    Commandment 6
    Marriage is when a man and woman become one; The trouble starts when they try to decide which one.
    Commandment 7
    Before marriage, a man will lie awake all night thinking about something to say. After marriage, he will fall asleep before you finnish.
    Commandment 8
    Every man wants a wife who is beautiful, understanding, economical, and a good cook. But the law alloys only one wife.
    Commandment 9
    Marriage and love are purely matters of chemistry. That is why a wife treats her husband like toxic waste.
    Commandment 10
    A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished...............:D
     
  8. John Jolly
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    This is the Buc transom edged out, Ive added 12mm thick mahogany backing plates on each corner which will make secure my pad eye plates which in turn will serve my twin backstays - a mahogany backing plate strip will be attached for the rudder pintles.
    If any one would like any more pics of completed frames let me know.
    DSCN1850.jpg

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  9. bruceb
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    Attachments

    John, I have seen that type of welded plate fail several times. I would use a strap like the main cap stays instead. B
     
  10. John Jolly
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    You will have no problems with these fittings failing, being used as a back stay!, they are used universally on transoms for backstays on sailing boats up to approx 30ft, and if bought from a reputable chandler/manufacturer will have a quoted minimum breaking strain which will far exceed there use.
     
  11. bruceb
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    fittings

    John, I was a sailboat dealer for 12 years and rigged and repaired several thousand boats, and that particular fitting was/is troublesome- several US manufacture's used those same fittings, and I have three damaged/broken ones in my basement- I just looked:mad:. I had them on at least one of my personal boats. I know that they are "usually" ok, if the lead angle is correct, there are no manufacturing defects, and no corrosion- and if they are not over-loaded and properly backed. But why use them? There is a non-welded design (I think "winchard?"), that is reliable and quite expensive, but a strap usually works best, distributes the base load much farther, and is usually lighter. B
     
  12. John Jolly
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    Bruce, at the end of the day, its one's own experience's of sailing, not what people tell you how sailing is! - there is no problem with pad eye's supporting a backstay on a transom...:eek:
     
  13. bruceb
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    bruceb Senior Member

    Quality control

    We are in control! And that is about the best part of building our own boats. I just took a quick look around my "parts department" (basement) and noticed a bad propeller from Hartzell, landing gear from Piper, piston from Lycoming, and too many Porsche parts to count- all with manufacturing defects- not wear related failures. The aviation industry has to be the most regulated transportation in the world, and the auto industry certainly has its share of oversight, and they all have had some really bad quality issues. The marine industry and sailboats especially, have almost no regulation. There are no enforced "standards", only "best practices" and what various suppliers and builders chose themselves. Europe has at least adopted sea-worthy standards, the USA does not have anything related to rigging and fittings for non-inspected boats. We have to watch out for ourselves. Chose carefully and build a better boat than you can buy:D B
     
  14. oldsailor7
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    John.
    Why are you using backstays at all.??
    The design does not call for it.
    They will limit the size of your mainsail.
    Unless of course, you are going to use Runners.
    But then runners will just become "Modern Inconveniences", as
    Dick Newick says. :cool:
     

  15. John Jolly
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    The Buc design is good, brilliant, you would have a hard job to better it in ply, in my opinion, but the rig is old fashioned, a modern fractional rig will transform this boat to a more responsive, more enjoyable boat to sail.
     
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