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Gary. many thanks for your comments - overall a Crowther design that many owners have become quite passionate about, and attached to, I certainly have and I am only building the damn thing, its stood the test of time, can hold its own with modern day multi's and can be tweaked - it really does say a lot about Lock Crowther and his designs.

 

You are quite right John.
It was a great loss when Lock died. He was only 47, and had many more years of designing to go before he was snatched away from us. RIP.

All the best for the New Year to you guys.

The Sydney-Hobart race starts today.
It's is a crying shame Multihulls are not allowed to enter. I wonder if it will ever change. :?:

Wouldn't it be great to see multis like Groupama 3 (Tri) and Gitana 13 (Cat) battling it out with Wild Oats 11 and Loyal, (motorized canting keel Monos.)

 

Permission

In my 50 years of living I have done more than most. Everytime I was supposed to have permissin and didn't it was a blast. Didn't spend a lot of time locked up at all, being restricted to quarters is another whole story.

Kinda like everytime I've broken a bone I was having a blast right beforhand.

 

Miranda also has her bow lengthened by raking the stem forward.
No vertical stem.
This has the same effect as adding a bowsprit (prodder), with the extra benefit of more bouyancy close to the deck.
I would love to have a sail on her---it must be very smooth.

 

I have just watched a program on TV. It was about the Hamilton Island Race week. All types of boats acccepted ---except Multihulls.

Same as the S.H.--- Monohulls only.

Really. What have we done to deserve this.:?:
Where did we go wrong.:?:

More importantly, what can we do to change things. :?:

They have no problems like that in France. Even Britain is not too bad.
But in Aus it's almost like Hatred. I can't speak for the USA or NZ.

Comments please.

 

OS7, The SH has seemed forever to have been run by reactionaries ... and spoilt bullies at that. I can remember the utter hatred for the lightweight kiwi IOR board boats, especially when they won a Southern Cross Cup one year. In those days heavy monohulls ruled - and this was a terrifying change which had to be stamped out immediately. Similarly multihulls belong in the same "terrorist" category. From a kiwi point of view, this has to be an ingrained Australian personality trait, but a prison warden point of view - (not the prisoners) you can't call it a philosophy. An entrenched, conservative hierarchy knows no balance but it is to their loss because now the race seems dated and completely out of touch. Allowing the ridiculous maxi motorsailers entry seems like a last ditch effort for the monohull brigade to clutch the last few straws before they fall into obsolescence. It is strange behaviour because Australia is a hotbed of superb multihull sailors and designers.

 

So how about an unofficial race - at the same time? Often see unofficial entries in other races...?

 

You do, but they don't seem to accomplish anything other than to deny the nay-sayers in a particular instance. The Coastal Classic here started because the established clubs wouldn't let multis do the (few) 'offshore' races here. I think its always been open to monos. Gary did some of the early CC's, maybe he could elaborate.

 

That was tried some years ago in the S-H. But the media simply ignored it. Even the airborne camera shots excluded the "Unofficial" multi.
To them it was just another "Spectator boat".

We need boats like Groupema3, Gitana 13, Idec, Sodebo and Orange 2 etc: to come over and race ----but it's not worth their time and money to do that if they can't race officially.

 

Roger Dilley, a multihull sailor from the UK, was the originator of the Coastal Classic. From the very beginning, the race was to invite monohulls to race in differing classes with the multihulls. Multihull racers then, had only one or two races, like the 87 mile round the Haurki Gulf Balocovic Cup, where they could officially enter with big fleet monohulls. But in other high profile competition, they were excluded. So Dilley's, and the enlightened other CC organizers, introduced a benevolent tit-for-tat approach: a multihull race where monohulls were invited. It was clever ... and it worked. In fact it was almost too successful because later committees, somewhat overwhelmed by the success and increasing numbers, stepped conservatively backwards. So "radical extremists," their term, like proas, Tornadoes carrying some safety gear and other "non-cruising type" racers were not encouraged - and if they did race, had to sail as outlaws. The cruising type multihulls, to be honest, had been the original standard from the very earliest days of the multihull club. When the open wing deck catamarans like the Great Barrier Express and Bamboo Bomber and other Gulf Cowboy types arrived, they were viewed as outlaws too, but had to begrudgingly be accepted through force of numbers.
However, the original intent of the Coastal Classic was to be wide open race, basic safety equipment, first past the posts, not a handicap race, loose class size competition and I for one, wanted the beach cat, proas, and the like to also compete.

 

Doug Lord has posted this info. in another forum:-

From the New Zealand Herald: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news...ectid=10695882

Yachting: Trimaran team eye Sydney to Hobart
By Dana Johannsen 5:30 AM Wednesday Dec 22, 2010 Share3 Email
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APNTeamVodafoneSailing are facing a big challenge this summer as they look to overturn a ban from entering next year's Sydney to Hobart yacht race.

The team have had their sights set on entering the race since their giant 60-foot trimaran was relaunched in August this year under the Vodafone banner.

They were unable to get ready in time for this year's race which gets under way on Boxing Day. There are no New Zealand entries among this year's 90 participants.

But skipper Simon Hull was hopeful his team would be able to line up in next year's race and had filed a written application to the Cruising Yacht Club of Australia (CYCA) to participate in the Sydney to Southport race in July next year and the Sydney to Hobart at the end of the year.

Hull received a one-line response from the club which amounted to a resounding "no".

"The CYCA is a monohull racing club and as such a trimaran would be unable to participate in the Audi Sydney Gold Coast Yacht Race," said sailing manager Justine Kirkjian in the club's emailed reply.

Hull's application to compete in the Hobart, sent in August, has not yet been acknowledged.

Hull, who imported the Orma 60 racing yacht from Europe two years ago, finds the CYCA's unwavering position "perplexing".

"It just seems an extremely conservative and staid approach to take and it really flies in the face of the way yachting has moved over the last 10-15 years," he said.

"All the local yacht clubs now seem to have woken up and realised that multihulls are here to stay and are actively accepting and embracing multihulls into the fold, whereas CYCA seem to be acting otherwise."

Multihulls were successfully integrated into the Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron's race fleet several years ago and monohulls and multihulls have raced side by side in the Coastal Classic, New Zealand's largest yacht race, for several years.

This year America's Cup holders BMW Oracle announced plans to break with 153-years of monohull racing tradition and stage the next regatta in 2013 in catamarans.

Hull plans to have further discussions with the club.

"Somebody has to start the ball rolling and start asking questions and challenging the thinking.

"Even the America's Cup is in multihulls now, so I'm quite surprised the Australians are so far behind the eight ball."

Hull said if they were unable to get the CYCA to budge, TeamVodafone would do what many other multihull yachts had done over the years and race regardless as a "pirate entry".By Dana Johannsen.

I really hope that transpires. OS7.

 

Multi's

Why is there so dislike for the multis? After the reading I've been doing it seems like they are faster and safer during an accident. Racing in and of itself is the best thing to find any weak points on anything, I don't understand.

Having trouble finding a slip to put a non folding tri in down here.

 

I think there are a lot of reasons for the dislike of multis and none of them hold much substance. Perhaps the greatest harm was done early on by pioneers like Piver who was a born salesman and made outrageous claims about the safety and speed of their boats, even though that was a long time ago and a lot of designs have come along that have proven multihull safety and strength. I'm not trying to bag out Piver and feel that his boats have proven to be very safe when well constructed and well maintained but feel it was part of the problem.

I also agree with Ian Farrier's assesment that (rare and mostly racing) capsized multihulls are bad publicity even though they provide a much more stable and safe platform than a life raft and most of the time are able to be righted with minimum damage or salvaged and rebuilt. The vision of a trimaran or catamaran upside down in the water is something that tv crews love to film as a sunken monohull is nowhere to be seen.

You may like to check whether any of the marinas in your area have mast up storage you could leave your boat assembled and make a simple launching trolley then dry sail your Bucc 24 it keeps them in good condition and they are a light and simple boat to launch.

 

Yes .
I remember very clearly back at the yacht club in the 1960s, one of the stuffy type members in his peak cap and blazer saying--"Every time I see one of those multihulls I have the urge to beat it to death with a stick".
I think some of that mentality still lurks.

 

Two things

I know I shouldn't get involved here but I like reading the thread. I have two different points.

One - Ages ago I worked for only about 8 or 10 weeks for Shaun Arber. I was learning strip and worked for him for free to learn. He laready had a helper - Peter Kennedy. Peter built Pumpkin eater - a fast Shockwave 37 that won the Gladstone with friend Peter Garden.

Peter also sailed a little Bucc 24. Like Gary her didn't like the upsweep at the stern and so he lengthened the stern. He said the boat was much fast with less upsweep. I would be intrigued if someone was to reduce upsweep and immerse the transom some more to keep the boat at 24ft. Crowther did this with John West and had much trouble convincinv pundits he meant to immerse the sterns deeply as the boat was designed for a raneg of 10-18 knots or so.

Two - if you want to race to Hobart organise your own race. The lack of multi entries is no doubt due the to fact that multi sailors do not get used to being cold and wet for days on end.

wait for the flames

Phil