Buccaneer 24 Builders Forum

Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by oldsailor7, Jul 22, 2009.

  1. waltermitty
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    waltermitty Junior Member

    Tube beams

    Hi all,
    information especially for Australian buccaneer builders.GoldSpars Aust P/L
    quoted $175 for 6 metre lengths of 119mm [4.75]x2.5 mm wall 6061 T6
    for the beam tubes.the salesman also suggested that they can manufacture a socket and tube setup to facilitate bemounting the beams.He suggested an "off the shelf" mast from their stock mast profiles.He was "blown away"when I told him that Buccaneers have been timed in excess of 20 knts.
    That price was FOB at their Mona Vale Sydney premises.
     
  2. oldsailor7
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    oldsailor7 Senior Member

    Lol!!
    I live 3km from Goldspar and know the owner well . They do a good job.
     
  3. diegokid
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    diegokid Junior Member

    demounting

    With all the winches and blocks the ball and socket for dismounting would be helpful. Anyone here tried this yet? Once I get the materials list I'll give laurel foundry a call and see what they can do. In the meantime there was some talk earlier about not spilling beer, I call it cholesterol medicine.
    It works really! ;)

    Why is it so difficult to find any pictures of these boats?
     
  4. oldsailor7
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    oldsailor7 Senior Member

    When you get your plans package you will find several pictures of other Buccaneer24s sailing, floating and reclining. ;)
     
  5. John Jolly
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    Hi waltermitty, I plan to do the same with my tube beams but havn't made any enquiries for tubing just yet - will your inner sockets be attached as per the wooden plugs with two bolts either side of the joint or did you have another method in mind....
     
  6. bruceb
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    tubes

    I am in the USA, but I found some 4"OD x 1/4" pipe that was a very good match for the inside ID of the 4.75 tubes. I used 18" pieces to replace my worn wooden plugs. I shimmed and epoxied them in the outer tubes just like the wooden ones and then I use plastic shim tape to tighten the fit into the inner pipes. I used them all season and can't tell any wear- and they are a lot stiffer than the wooden plugs. They add about 3lbs per corner and seem well worth their weight. Bruce
     
  7. John Jolly
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    Cheers Bruce - appreciate your comments.
     
  8. waltermitty
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    waltermitty Junior Member

    Tube Beams

    Hi John Jolly,Bruceb,Diegokid.
    Goldspars cold work the existing tube to produce either an expanded socket or a swaged down section which will fit into the 119mm tube. the cold working increases the tensile strength of the worked tube.The Goldspar person suggested that they could manufacture the components from the boat plans
    incorporating their socket system.Naturally this would cost and the salesperson did not quote on this.He quoted $100 per tube to anodise them.
    I would imagine that costs in the UK or USA would be similar.
     
  9. diegokid
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    diegokid Junior Member

    Good info

    Dismounting like that would really help get this boat on a trailer easier. I would like to be able to bring it home during hurricanes/maintenence. Don't mind the long takedown times but if you can keep the weight the same and not really change the design thats even better.

    Looked at some farriers online today. I really had no idea of how many homebuilt tris are out there. I know there are all kinds of cars, airplanes and other stuff just didn't realize how many boats. The folding system on the farriers looked easier than the Telstar line but the cost kinda defeats the purpose of building it your self.

    I don't really know what kind of speciality tools I'll need but I do want to acquire some books with some basic information on boat building, esp. these tri's. Whats the first suggestions?:?:

    I like comparisions/discussion:rolleyes I'm understanding the Buc 24 in the right hands will outperform the corsair 24?

    Time for some cholesterol medicine, bought a home kit today to make my own. Wish me luck.
     
  10. oldsailor7
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    If you keep taking your "Cholesterol Medicine" while you are building your B24--it will take more like 5000 man hrs, rather than 500. :eek:
     
  11. cavalier mk2
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    cavalier mk2 Senior Member

    But if he recycles he can ;) make his own beams!
     
  12. oldsailor7
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    oldsailor7 Senior Member

    Thats what I call "Lateral Thinking". :D
     
  13. diegokid
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    diegokid Junior Member

    west coast

    First batch will be a pale ale I used to get whilst stationd in northern CA. Even though it takes longer to heal now I still like to play. I read this on another site and thought it made perfect sense, maybe yawl will enjoy it too.

    "I don't want to arrive at the Pearly Gates in a well preserved body... I want to slide in sideways screaming "WOW, WHAT A RIDE" ..."

    Happy Thanksgiving to all.
     
  14. bruceb
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    bruceb Senior Member

    beams

    The "socket" sounds like a good, light solution, just don't make the fit too tight. I little slop can be shimmed out and it helps keep the tubes from getting stuck. B
     

  15. bruceb
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    bruceb Senior Member

    details & speed

    One detail to remember with the cross beams is that they are really under compression when loaded, so any joint/socket must allow for that. Sometimes KISS is the best, the tubes work just fine as designed. I don't know what a "stock" Buc 24 will do against the Corsairs, but I am usually ahead of the local ones that I sail with. B
     
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