Buccaneer 24 Builders Forum

Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by oldsailor7, Jul 22, 2009.

  1. P1nkfloyd
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    P1nkfloyd Junior Member

    Foam/glass amas and/or sliding amas?

    These were two questions I had from the 'Buccaneer 24Triamran' forum:

    1) Besides the extra time and cost, would there be any issues to making the amas foam/glass instead of ply? Mainly to help with setup, since my boys are still pretty small and won't be able to lift that much; and I plan on building something much bigger...some day, and I'd like to start gathering tools and learning how to glass.

    2) Other than foam/glass amas, has anyone tried folding or sliding amas? I've seen some simple designs, such as the striker 18, and though the aesthetics leave much to be desired, it seems like it would speed up 'single-handed' setup considerably.
     
  2. oldsailor7
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    oldsailor7 Senior Member

    Don't assume that foam/glass floats will be lighter than Ply.
    It is very easy to go overboard with the weight of glass and resin and it costs more both in time and money. :eek:
     
  3. Goth
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    Goth Junior Member

    the births are 6 feet long, there are a few boats with a fill in bit, and sleeping across the boat, (instead of length ways)
    u get a double if u do that. ;)
     
  4. P1nkfloyd
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    P1nkfloyd Junior Member

    Double Bed in a Bucc24

    Thanks Goth, I've read about that feature on countless boats and I can't believe I didn't think about it. I believe that would work out great as long as i can get one of the bunks to stay 6'3". That way I can take my two stepsons camping with three bunks, and save the double for just my wife and I. From the study plans it looks like I could make the forward bunk as long as I wanted, or I could put the head in the forward hull behind a stowage compartment and a longer bunk under the cockpit. Anybody have any thoughts? It would help if I knew the distance from the transom to the cabin sole.
     
  5. Waterat
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    Waterat Junior Member

    Bunks:

    Hi, if the space under the cockpit isn't long enough and you can't get him to
    bend in the middle, you can use his head as a step to get in and out of
    the cabin. :D All designs are a compromise somewhere along the line :(
    The buccaneer is the nicest, closest thing to what I require with the
    ease of construction i need. :idea: Go build nad worry about where to
    stick everyone later. The amount of time actually spend sleeping for
    everyone on boardis minimal, you will find.:p
     
  6. John Jolly
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    John Jolly Senior Member

    'Pics'

    These 'pics' should have uploaded with my last post, better late than never...... DSCN1747.jpg

    DSCN1746.jpg

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  7. Samnz
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    it will be heavier. 4mm ply with a light glass cloth is the lightest panel you can use on a boat. if you make a foam and glass panel the same weight it will be stiffer but very prone to impact damage. if you were thinking foam and glass build an F22
     
  8. waltermitty
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    waltermitty Junior Member

    My first post on your magnificent forum.I have been interested in Buccaneer24's for many years. In fact I have study plans for the boat which I obtained from Crowther Multihulls back in 1972. I hope to build one in the future and I
    am enjoying reading of your experiences. Some questions,where in Melbourne Aust. would you obtain the 120 mm [4.75"] aluminium tube, and what is the approx. cost of a set of Lee cruising sails. Many thanks again to Os7 and all .
     
  9. oldsailor7
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    oldsailor7 Senior Member

    Walter Mitty.

    Victorian Operations
    Alcoa of Australia Limited
    Point Henry Road
    Point Henry
    Victoria
    Phone: (61 3) 5245 1777
    Fax: (61 3) 5245 1150
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    Alcoa of Australia Limited
    Victorian Operations
    GPO Box 460
    Geelong Victoria 3220

    Ask for info on 6061T6 alloy tubing 4.5" or 4.75" in dia. Ask about supplying it cut and chamferred to size, holes drilled and triple anodised.
     
  10. waltermitty
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    Thanks for your reply OS7,I rang Alcoa and was directed to Bob Foreman who is the expert on aluminium tube.Unfortunately he was unavailable ,but I will keep you posted when he gets back to me.Does any Australian builder have any experience of Pink plywood versus occume plywood as occume is double the price.I know that you only get what you pay for.
     
  11. oldsailor7
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    Is that the stuff on E-bay at $33.00 a sheet (10 sheets available). From an Aussie distributer. To use the name "Marine Plywood" it has to meet
    Spec 1088.(waterproof glue) requirements. I would check it out if I were you. Sounds like a bargain at $33.00 asheet. :eek:
     
  12. waltermitty
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    Thanks OS7.No the figures came from Boat Craft.The E-Bay vendor was "tileimporter" from Melbourne.BoatCraft price is $48 for 6mm Pink.Total price using the study sheet seems to be $1500,pink,$3000 BoatCraft,$3850 Denmanmarine.These are all figures taken from websites,not negotiated.
     
  13. John Jolly
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    John Jolly Senior Member

    UK ply

    Uk prices appear to be slightly cheaper for marine ply, the best price I have been quoted is £1011.25GBP including VAT - 22 sheets 6mm / 4 sheets 9mm - Gabboon/Accume manufactured in Spain stamped all the way along the edge BS1088, its from a reputable supplier, I am just waiting for a sample from the supplier.
     
  14. oldsailor7
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    oldsailor7 Senior Member

    IMHO Gaboon 1088 plywood ia the very best wood you can use on this boat.
    Both light and strong----it loves Epoxy. :D
     

  15. waltermitty
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    Thanks JohnJolly,OS7.The UK prices seem very good .Is VAT payable outside the UK.Could pay for freight. Does one pay duty on importing plywood into Australia.On another topic,has anyone used or seen "G_10" as described in Wooden Boat #206. May be able to replace SS pads on the water stays and in other locations.I havent researched availability in Australia.
     
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