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Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by oldsailor7, Jul 22, 2009.

  1. bruceb
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    bruceb Senior Member

    Fred, a little add on to my post. When I leave and return to my marina, it is almost always under power, due to the prevailing wind. Heading out is mostly dead up wind with very little tacking room so often motoring out and then raising the sails is the only safe option. If I were single handing, I would have a jib rolled on the furler and the main with lazy jacks ready to go up. I would use the autopilot to hold the boat into the wind while I raised the main, then shut down the engine. I had to reverse the process coming back in as there is not enough space to turn and stop the Buc when it is under sail. My main is larger than yours - a tall fat head with full battens, so it probably has more drag and might need more power. My auto pilot needs a few knots forward speed to keep the boat under control, so that is what I based my engine needs on. The 4hp could motor at over 6kts with the sails down and smooth water, but could not maintain enough speed forward into 15-18 kts of wind and waves with the main up. I used a 3.5 hp to push the boat around the marina in light air, but it could not hold the bow into the wind even in fairly modest wind. Any location that has any current would also up the needs. A 5 or 6hp will give you a max speed of 6.8-7.1 kts with a comfortable cruise of just over 6 kts in most conditions while burning about half a gallon an hour. I usually used a 3 gallon remote tank.
    Bruce
     
  2. freddyj
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    freddyj Senior Member

    Good info. Thanks
     
  3. freddyj
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    freddyj Senior Member

    Bruce! I redrilled my rudder pivot one inch back. What a difference! It's like having power steering. Very light rudder today in 10 mph breeze.
     
  4. bruceb
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    Good for you, I am glad it was not more involved! I hope you are getting to enjoy the results of your work.
    Bruce
     
  5. freddyj
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    Heres a link to a video I took sailing yesterday. I had a very hard time keeping the jib from flapping. Any ideas?
     
  6. bruceb
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    bruceb Senior Member

    Boat looks great Fred !!!
    Sails, not so much:(. Please don't get offended. Lets start with the main- if you are trying to go to weather, it needs to be trimmed down harder and the boom brought to weather or at least on centerline. Since you are not using a traveler, you may have to set up a double tackle to bring it up some. I prefer a traveler, but the set up shown on the plans will also work. The system you have will never get the main close enough to center line to work well on the Buc. It should not have much backwind at the angles you are sailing. I don't think you have enough power in your mainsheet system either.
    Once the main is not closing down the slot, the jib needs to be tacked down closer to the bow, and then I think it can be sheeted in tighter which should help a lot. The leech "may " be stretched too much, but it looks to me that tightening the leach line should help. It looks like the jib tack is a couple of feet up, I would try to get it down very close to the bow fitting, the pendent is too long. When everything is set right, you should be able to have the bottom of the jib just touching the lower stay and have the leach pretty tight for max pointing. The main, with the outhaul tight and the boom at least centered, should have a "little" back wind from the jib and it's leech pretty tight.
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  7. freddyj
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    freddyj Senior Member

    Thanks, Bruce. No, I am not offended at all. I m planning of changing things this winter, so I appreciate any advice i get. I knew something was amiss.
     
  8. bruceb
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    Hi Fred, a little more info. If you could get a couple of photos of the sails? Best is from under the foot, looking up. In light to medium air either at the dock or better, while someone else steers, lay on your back about midway under the sail and a little to weather and get several pics looking up of the main and jib while they are full with as much of the sails as possible in the pic. Some of the sailmaker sites also show how. Post the best ones of both sails and we can tell what you need.
    B
     
  9. freddyj
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    Should be out there wednesday. Will do. I sure appreciate any and all advice.
     
  10. bruceb
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    Fred, I can't see in the video, but I think if you move that pendent on the bottom of the jib tack to the head of the sail, you might be able to sheet the jib in more. The car on your furler should almost reach the top of the foil, you use a line between it and the head of the sail to make up any difference in total hoist. The tack at the bottom of the jib should be as low as is practical to fasten it, usually to a shackle on the furler drum. I know it will be harder to see under it, but the boat will sail much better :)
    B
     
  11. Headharbor
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    Headharbor Junior Member

    Fred,
    Do you have full length battens in you sails, I can see the sleeves but the main sail seems to luff like they might be missing? I have an extra set from my old main, and my old main for that matter, if you want them. Price of shipping and they are yours. After six years, I got my Bucc back out this summer. New rotating mast off a Corsair 24 and synthetic rigging. Interesting new tuning issues for me as well.
    Best,
    Carl


     
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  12. David Jurk
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    Hi Everyone,
    Very new to this thread and to the Buc 24. One has just come up for sale on eBay - and in Michigan, where I live. It appears to have several of the mods I've read about in this forum, including folding akas. Does anyone know much about this mod - whether they've been a good alteration?

    Greatly appreciate any and all commentary.
     
  13. bruceb
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    Hi David, welcome to the forum. Do you have some pictures? I "almost" got around to a folding system for my B-24, but I sold it instead for it's bigger brother- a 33.
    The 24 is light so it is quite possible to have a simple folding system that would be strong enough. The real challenge is in keeping the folded boat at a reasonable width for trailering. For some uses, that would not matter.
    I would be more concerned about the overall condition of the boat.
    Bruce
     
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  15. bruceb
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    bruceb Senior Member

    That is an interesting 24! Lots of mods, and from my experience with my 24, certainly in the right direction. The rear of the hull has been made fuller with a nice kick up rudder, decent winches, a very desirable rotating mast, jib tracks set at proper angle, and the folding system seems to work. The boat looks like a racer had it so even the sails might be usable. The mast is worth almost the asking price so not a bad deal.
    I expect it handles great, the mods "look" well thought out. The only thing I can't see is the dagger board, especially with the taller mast it needs more area than stock.
    I can't tell anything about the condition from the pics, it has a 2007 registration so it might be solid, or it might have some hidden rot and be ready to fall apart. :(
    The custom beams need the most careful inspection, however, they probably would not be that hard to rebuild/replace.
    Good luck, you might get a very fun boat for a modest investment in time and money.
    Feel free to ask lots of questions :).
    Bruce
     
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