Bristol Channel Cutter with a cute Butt

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  1. kudu
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    kudu Senior Member

    Does anyone have some input concerning which stern is better, canoe vs a double ender? Crunchin' the numbers, who's the winner? Thanks :p
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    FAST FRED Senior Member

    two or more knots?

    Perhaps on a HUGE vessel ,

    the usual difference a conventional stern boat will get to the sq rt of the lwl times 1.34 with a good breeze.

    In the same breeze the doubble ender will only go 1.15 /1.20 or so before dragging the ocean along.

    Plug in your LWL and see the difference , half K at most sizes that ordinary folks can afford.

    Weather the added resistance of a big stern wave will cause large following waves to break sooner , is also a concern.

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    I'm still in search of a sailboat design that mirrors the durability and looks of the 28 foot Bristol Channel cutter with a nice round butt. There have been a few suggestion that come very close except for the "round butt" part, all either had a transom or were shorter in length. Thanks
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    I cruised a BCC (Sam L Morse Co, Hull #4) for 2 years, and mine had a nicer backside than most, being the only GRP hull fitted with a teak transom overlay. Here are 2 pics. What it does is visually reduce the giant billboard of a transom. Note the white border to further provide the illusion of a less prominent flat area. If you end up with a BCC, then this may be an answer.

    I looked over many, many designs, and I never saw a double-ended clone. The only thing I feel you would lose in a double-ender is the excellent storage of the stock BCC. Bicycle, extra 40 gal of water, lines, spare parts, etc. all went in there. It is a very deep space. Actually, considering the junk that collected there, maybe you would be better off without.

    To my eye, the lines could be improved by slightly increasing the rake of the transom, but that is just my opinion.

    Good luck with your quest - please post what you find. Thanks to all the members here for providing many hours of enjoyable reading.


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    Bergalia Senior Member

    (Shocked voice)...A Bicycle :confused: Good God...what kind of membership is this forum attracting....Hasn't CapnTodd read that superb poem: A sailor's farewell to his horse....:D

  6. chandler
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    Nobody mentioned Colin Archer,those are classics!
    Ed Burnetts designs are soon to be classics. He is a very nice guy to boot!
    Several years ago I tried to obtain plans for Roxane, A collaboration between Burnett and Nigel Irens. Ed was very cooperative however the design was in grp production and the design was not available. To make a long story even longer; that is what led me to this site. I'm in the process of designing a larger version of Roxane, to suit my needs. You have to see Roxane!
    You may see my design someday here. I'm in the lofting stage so the next post should be in the boatbuilding forum I guess. Anyway check out Roxane, she's on Ed Burnetts website.
    Check out Colin Archers designs, probably the preeminate designer of double enders.
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