BOL D'OR 2018

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  1. Doug Lord
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    I don't think so-this was just Gonets second race and she led for a great deal of the race. I think it is a matter of design . They'll be more and more foilers produced that are capable of performing well regardless of conditions-particularly monofoilers.....
     
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    That seems right, and given the cost of foils (whether conventional or lifting) in this sort of boat, once one carries an extra set of foils or some complicated lift arrangement, then the total cost and complexity may rise so that it's no longer a case of "all else being equal".
     
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    When did she lead?
     
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    Most large monofoilers need to be designed to be self-righting so the only "mod" required to sail in non-foiling conditions is a method to retract the lifting foils which DOES NOT have to be "some complicated lift arrangement".
     
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    I think I read that on the Gonet facebook page --she "led the fleet".......
     
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    You left out the 3rd possibility - that the conditions will vary during the race.
     
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    Well, there's no apparent evidence that the Gonet led the race.

    The Facebook site claims "After 3 h25 of race, the Monofoil Gonet is 2th of its category, the tcf1" which is very different from leading the fleet. TCF1 is not the fastest mono class and definitely not the fastest class overall.

    The official site puts her at 42nd in fleet at Bouveret, 3 1/2 hours behind the leader. So if she ever led, she went really slow after that.
     
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    If such things are so cheap then why does the Quant 23 cost about 50% more than a Melges 24?

    Would you like to build a system like the one on the Gonet for a grand or so? If lifting foils are so cheap why does everyone charge so much for them?
     
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    Wrong! "Eric Monnin and his crew are still leading the TCF1 fleet on the approach (slowly, but surely) of the Bouveret!"(computer translation of the French) From Gonin facebook, June 9 at 10:40AM
     
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    Oh, you meant leading the class, not the whole fleet.
     
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    Thanks to mention the Surprise, it is the opportunity to pay tribute to his architect Michel Joubert who passed away in 2016. The Surprise design was, in 1976, an initiative of Michel Joubert himself, not an order coming from a shipbuilder. He had great difficulties to convince a builder to try this market segment which does not exist in those days (in France at least), the market being more oriented towards small cruiser boats like Sangria or Cognac proposed by Ph. Harlé or Brise and Rêve de mer proposed by JM Finot (to mention similar size boats having had a great commercial success). A small builder, Archambault, finally accepted to take the risk, and the production started softly. Then, a Swiss distributor saw it at the 77 Nautical show and fell enthusiastic of this boat, for him exactly fitted for the Leman lake market, and it was a huge success : the first association of owners was created by the Swiss ( Aspro Surprise | Association suisse des propriétaires de surprises http://www.asprosurprise.ch/ ) , the success proliferated to other lakes of Swiss, Germany, Austria as well as in France, a total of 1800 boats were built by Archanbault until 2015, now the production continue with BG Race :
    Le Surprise 768 vient de sortir du chantier BG Race | Aspro Surprise http://www.asprosurprise.ch/le-surprise-768-vient-de-sortir-du-chantier-bg-race/

    Michel Joubert worked within Joubert-Nivelt cabinet (now Nivelt-Muratet), it is estimated that about 20 ooo boats were built from their plans, monohulls as multihulls :
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    Nivelt - Muratet https://www.facebook.com/NiveltMuratet/
     
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    The Surprise looks like a nice little boat. We used to race against what is probably the only one in Australia, but there's a local class that is similar in size, ratios and general style that is widely popular.

    The enormous success of more practical, accessible and economical boats like the Surprise is one reason I wish modern sailing could stop obsessing over boats that are expensive, complicated niche products. The approach to sailing that gets 120 8m boats to a single event each year is clearly better for our sport than the high-tech foiling style that sees just a couple of boats racing in the same event each year.
     
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    Absurd, unfair and unrealistic comparison! Just nonsense......
    ...220 Moth Foilers in 2017 Worlds in Italy, 41 Moth Foilers in 2018 Worlds in Bermuda
    ... 50 kite foilers at the Hydrofoil Pro Tour event in San Francisco this month
     
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    How many Moths raced in "the same event" as 120 Surprises? None. Nada. Zilch. Zero. Therefore, the fact that I referred to "a couple of boats" racing in "the same event" as 120 Surprises would tell any reasonable person I wasn't talking about Moths.

    And while many of the foilers are fantastic, after about two decades they remain a small niche in the sport. Even the Moth worlds, while a great event, are not particularly large compared to many other dinghy classes. That indicates that we need some new thinking to revitalise the sport, since foiling is not doing so and the sport has taken on a downturn over a period when foiling has been heavily promoted.

    The odd thing is that you appear to be claiming that many other people will get foilers and race them and yet you, a person who claims to be a foiling fanatic, apparently live on the waterfront in an ideal climate and has no job or dependents to make claims on your time, seems to sail your own model foilers very rarely and never to race a model or full size boat.

    If someone who claims to be such a fan doesn't sail one very often it is odd that you claim that thousands of other people will.
     
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    You're so wrong that your only choice is to make up"facts"in order to attempt a personal attack -man that is just pitiful!
     
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