Boat design for protected saltwater

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  1. tinpin4544
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    I love fishing and boating from an 8' jonboat that I built 3 years ago, but it's definitely only for ponds and small lakes. I live in CT and would like to get out on the CT river and (on calm days) Long Island Sound. So, it's time for my 2nd boat (I was warned this would happen).

    My question: am I better off building a large skiff (Lumberyard, Brockway, etc. which I know will be a lot of man hours and very heavy), a Spira dory (they seem designed for coastal waters), or just buying a good condition old Duranautic or something similar? I want enough capacity to carry my small family as well as something that goes through a bit of chop and has good initial and secondary stability.

    I'm fine with chine logs and stitch and glue, along with fiberglassing, but I'm wondering if aluminum is still better for saltwater. Any recommendations?
     
  2. gonzo
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    A used aluminum boat with a motor and trailer will be cheaper and get you on the water right away. However, if you got the boatbuilding bug, then a skiff or dory is a good choice.
     
  3. TANSL
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    If this skiff is worth it (16' LOA), we can talk about it through a PM.
     

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    I'll think the OP is better served when it's discussed here openly, which is why the thread was started in the first place, and which is the whole idea of a forum anyway.

    For example: - Why the low freeboard in the bow ?

    And, why trying to drag it away from the forum, after promoting a own product ?
     
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    I see, it's from the plans of your Shine Skiff 17 (16' 11 35/64" LOA), which you try to sell through Gulfstream Composites...

    Gulfstream Composites ---> About our plans ---> Shine Skiff 17
     
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    OK, the other pictures (in post #5) made it clear, there's a lot of "V" in the bottom near the bow.

    Anyone any remarks about the posted boat*, or any other suggestions, and maybe more answers to the OP's post #1 questions . . ?

    P.S. - * Low overall freeboard for in a chop ? - Is the twisted bottom bow area well buildable with relatively little boat building experience . . ?
     
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    Hi Tinpin . . :)

    What's the number of persons in the small family, and the approx total weight of them ?

    Think here about the future growth of the kids, as long as they will join as shipmates.

    And what's the approx weight and volume of the gear you want to carry ?
     
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    BTW TANSL, regarding post #5, can you show any pictures of the build process, and of a finished boat . . ?

    P.S. - One on the water, if possible, please . . ?
     
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    is this the single person flame thread?
     
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    5 shipmates aboard yet Jorge, including you, welcome to the thread . . :)

    Do you have any suggestions / answers for the OP . . ?
     
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    So many possibilities, I love the Pangas
     
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    I would try to find a monohedren skiff with moderate deadrise at the transom, say 10 - 12 degrees. You'll get through chop better, you'll have better top speed potential, slightly better handling and more storage below the sole, for tanks, beer coolers, etc.
     
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    How tall should the double bottom be?
     
  14. tinpin4544
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    You bring up a very good point about growing kids. I need to plan for way more
     

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    It's clearly not about a double bottom of the boat when there's talk about storage room in the deadrise V space, which is underneath the cockpit sole, cabin sole, etc., what ever is applicable for the design. By sole is meant the undersurface of the mentioned area, or the floor inside a boat in general, in which hatches can be made for access to the storage space, or tanks can be build in or stored near the actual bottom.

    Note also that the knowledgeable man you responded to spoke about below the sole, and not about a double bottom in this regard, there was no reason to misread and also twist these simple words, unless of course as usually you were trying to set up a trap to endlessly discuss something that wasn't said at all.

    Apart from the double bottom vs the sole thing, the question ‘‘how tall’’ is just a loose shot for someone who claims to be a Naval Architect, since this is related to a particular design and size of a boat, and the post #12 you responded to only spoke about specific bottom requirements for the asked for circumstances, and not about the size or design of the rest of the boat.

    Without the size and design of the boat specified your question does not fit the level of knowledge which should fit one who claims to be an NA.

    With your wannabe commercial boat design that you've plugged in post #3 came your related curriculum vitae in post #5, which doesn't speak about any experience in wooden boat design in general, or designing for modern wooden boat building methods in particular.

    Do you have any experience with this other than some incomplete renders, and can you show your credentials in this area . . ?
     
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