Prop Help getting desperate!!!!

Discussion in 'Props' started by lady47, Apr 24, 2010.

  1. lady47
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    lady47 New Member

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    Hi

    I am new to this but am in dire need of some help.
    I have a Birchwood 31, Charter boat,

    I have just had to replace the gearbox, this then meant the RH prop I had was no good as the new box is LH, I also dropped from 2:1 to 1.5:1 gear ratio.
    After speaking to various people I called Freedom Marine, they told me that because I am restricted to an 18" dia I would need to have a three bladed 18 x 18 made to suit. They did this at a cost of £350 to me, and took four and a half weeks and guess what it is not right, where as before i could get 14kts now I can only get 8kts tops and she has the biggest rooster tail of a wake going.

    So I got back in touch and they then sent me a four bladed 18 x 21 with a taper insert to drop it down to fit the shaft,

    Now it is vibrating like a ********* and will not go over 8kts even when fully throttled, by that I mean changing the revs from 2000 to 2600 makes no difference at all. She still has the rooster tail but now instead of being out the back of the boat it is about four foot from the back of the boat before it starts.

    PLEASE CAN ANYBODY HELP

    parameters

    waterline length 31.5 ft
    bhp 150
    max rpm 2600
    max dia prop 18"
    gearbox 1.5:1
    semi planing hull (design speed of hull around 25tks)
     
  2. Jango
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    Jango Senior Enthusiast

    In order to recommend a Prop, one needs an idea as to total displacement [weight]

    In order to obtain 14 kts with 150 HP and a 1.5 gear, A 3 bladed 18 x 13, 65% D.A.R.min. or a 4 bladed prop is needed. This assumes a total displacement of about 5500 kgs which is probably low. [perhaps you have more than 150 shaft HP ?]

    If weight is not available, prop size can be reasonably determined if the prop size and pitch with the 2.0 gear is known.

    ALSO

    ( make sure your transmission is NOT running in REVERSE gear to obtain Forward motion which would be necessary if the wrong hand prop is being used )
     
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2010
  3. gonzo
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    gonzo Senior Member

    Is the engine properly aligned? Did the overall length of the shaft overhanging change?
     
  4. Jango
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    Jango Senior Enthusiast

    I would say the Vibration could also be caused by the "taper insert" which is supposed to adjust for the larger shaft size in the latest prop. Probably not the best idea?
     
  5. lady47
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    lady47 New Member

    Thanks Guys

    Hi Guys

    Thanks for the above, :) :)


    I forgot to say that the boat weighs 4 ton.
    The engine HP is definitely 150 HP and she is not running in reverse.

    The original gear box was a 2:1 Borg Warner with an 18 x 23 RH four bladed, but this was not exactly correct as it was not giving us the speeds we
    should have had.

    I agree with the insert causing the vibration but I am just a little stumped with all this. :confused: :confused:
     
  6. lady47
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    lady47 New Member

    Sorry forgot to say the overhang has not changed at all, and we have a aqua drive coupling running inbetween the box and the prop, so alignment is not an issue.

    Ta
     
  7. Jango
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    Jango Senior Enthusiast

    Is the 4 ton [4073 kg] maximum w. passengers, fuel etc?
     
  8. lady47
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    lady47 New Member

    Hi

    Sorry for the delay, the boat is being put in the slings tomorrow morning to get the exact weight so I will let you know then.
    Passengers (in the coding) are based on 75kg per person and we carry 10 plus two crew.
    The fuel tank holds about 200 litres and is generally kept full. :confused: :confused:
     

  9. Adler
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    Adler Senior Member

    Regarding the Propulsion Unit

    1. Could you please measure the Revolution per minute of the Propeller Shaft at 2200 rpm of the Engine's speed.
    2. Please verify at forward position of the Gearbox if the Engine Flywheel and the propeller turns to the same or to the opposite sense of rotation.
     
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