Retired Racers?

Discussion in 'Sailboats' started by RHough, Mar 4, 2006.

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What measurement rule produced the best boats?

Poll closed Apr 3, 2006.
  1. Universal Rule (ie. J-Class)

    2 vote(s)
    10.0%
  2. International Rule (Metre Classes)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. CCA

    5 vote(s)
    25.0%
  4. CHS

    1 vote(s)
    5.0%
  5. IOR

    3 vote(s)
    15.0%
  6. IMS

    2 vote(s)
    10.0%
  7. IRC

    2 vote(s)
    10.0%
  8. Other (I'm sure to have missed some)

    5 vote(s)
    25.0%
  1. RHough
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    RHough Retro Dude

    With all the talk about modern racers becoming throw-away boats, I have a question.

    What rule (if any) has created boats that had a good life after racing? The rule that made for good conversion to day-sailing or cruising?
     
  2. usa2
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    isnt IRC the same thing as CHS?
     
  3. RHough
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    RHough Retro Dude

    Could be, I was under the impression that IRC replaced CHS? Just a rename or a new version? I have no idea :)

    I know that IRC allows moving ballast and powered systems, I don't know that CHS did.
     
  4. usa2
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    you're right, here's a statement from the RORC:

    "The IRC is developed from, and replaces, the Channel Handicap System rating rule, and is widely used worldwide at a great variety of different levels, ranging from club and local series through such major events as Cork Week in Ireland and the King's Cup in Thailand. The Royal Ocean Racing Club would welcome further spread of the rule and will support and encourage clubs wishing to use it."
     
  5. SailDesign
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    SailDesign Old Phart! Stay upwind..

    Definitely "Other" - Open Class :)
     
  6. RHough
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    RHough Retro Dude

    LOL!

    What ever happened to the fast cruiser that was based on an Open 50?

    Wow, come to think of it, I forgot multi-hulls too ... my bad!
     
  7. Raggi_Thor
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    The Scandinavian (Swedish mostly) 30 and 22 square meters are great, I think, long and slender, light weight because of the limited sail area.
     
  8. sharpii2
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    my vote

    My vote is for the CCA. Though those boats too have their faults,(long overhangs, short waterlines and very short rudder/keel couplings) there are an awful lot of them still around. And mostly sailed as cruisers.

    It could be, though, that only the best examples of these boats have survived:)

    If I could have a second vote, I would vote for the Square Meter class. Just for shear elegance.

    Bob
     
  9. SailDesign
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    SailDesign Old Phart! Stay upwind..

    I'll put my second vote on the Skerry Cruisers. Incredibly sexy boats :)
     
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  11. sharpii2
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    Very much agreed.

    Bob
     
  12. Gilbert
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    Gilbert Senior Member

    If the CCA boats had too much overhang, why are we all drooling over the 22 square meters.
     
  13. tamkvaitis
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    tamkvaitis sailor/amateur designer

    I like IOR boats. older versions of these boats vere good sailboats, this formula should have mixed seavorthines and performance. But unfortubately NA's learned how to go around seavorthy part of the formula.
     
  14. usa2
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    usa2 Senior Member

    CCA boats were designed to go upwind well while still rating low. The "maxis" of the time were 70-74 feet LOA and had waterline lengths of 50-55 feet. The overhang made them more seaworthy than todays boats, as they would not stuff their bows into waves, and they had a tremendous amount of reserve buoyancy.They could be a bit uncomfortable in a seaway and if one was trying to sleep, as the overhangs would get smacked around, but that was rarely a problem.
     

  15. sharpii2
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    Because they look so cool!

    Also. Being that they had rather large Length to Beam ratios, the long overhangs did not effect their performance in as much of a negative way.

    They were low sided and had very low cabin houses and probably could not stow much gear for their length, so were probably not the best of cruisers for that reason.

    But their styling more than made up for that. When I first saw one, I thought it was the coolest thing in the world.

    Bob
     
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