around in pocket, I I think so

Discussion in 'Projects & Proposals' started by WindRaf, Oct 2, 2014.

  1. Manie B
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    pdwiley you will see from all my posts that I NEVER knock down people or their views. My moto is live and let live. You are just an insanely negative person and you have just made up your mind that a TEN foot boat cant work. I can assure you with 100% certainty that somebody somewhere sometime will circumnavigate the southern ocean in a TEN foot boat. I strongly suggest that you crawl back into your cave and just stop posting your drivel because it has honesty just become too much for many of us to bear. And while you are in your cave scratching your backside - try and figure out how you can say anything constructive other than the garbage that spews from your mouth.

    Sorry to all the guys but this idiot just annoys me endlessly and I now have him on my banned list, because it is just the same cr@p over and over again.
    And as a Saffa with friends and family in OZ, you can stick that as well.
     
  2. Grey Ghost
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    No offense towards you or anyone else building a 10 footer, but I wouldn't go ocean voyaging in a 10 foot boat either and many of us wouldn't. 30 is my comfort limit to get out of sight of land.
     
  3. pdwiley
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    I've done 11 seasons in the Southern Ocean on icebreakers, sailing between Hobart, various parts of the Antarctic continent, Antarctic and sub-Antarctic islands. I know from first hand experience what the weather is like there and how uncomfortable life can be aboard a 100m long ship.

    You've sailed on a dam.

    Which one of us, I wonder, is in better touch with reality?

    I don't actually care whether you put me in an ignore list or not. That won't stop me from stating my opinion firmly but politely - a lesson that you might ponder, given the string of insults and personal attacks that you've come forth with above. I could report your post as it clearly violates the rules WRT polite and respectful conduct, but I won't. I'll also refrain from sending abusive and obscene private messages.

    The fact is, what you claim you're going to do is highly dangerous. There is an excellent chance that you will get killed - in fact I'd bet money on that happening. There is almost a certainty that Australian SAR people will have to go and perform a hopeless task looking for you, at vast expense and risk to our shipping and lives (the only scenario I can see where we won't have to look is if you get smashed up in SA waters).

    And for what? Because you want to do something that is just plain idiotic.

    PDW
     
  4. WindRaf
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    WindRaf Senior Member

    pdwiley,
    if everyone thought like you, the Antarctic would still be discovered, and also Australia.
     
  5. pdwiley
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    I think you mean 'undiscovered'.

    As that's basically an ad-hominem attack, I merely note that you have nothing of substance to say, so I won't bother to respond further.

    PDW
     
  6. WindRaf
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    ''undiscovered''
    yes, sorry, my english is not perfect.
     
  7. WindRaf
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    ''have nothing of substance to say''

    the substance is that without the brave
    you still would live on trees
     
  8. Grey Ghost
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    I'm not sure whether better equipment only comes after riskier equipment is used.

    Would the poles have been discovered more safely, later, after better equipment and larger ships were available? Or would larger ships and better thermal equipment have never been built without the risk pushing people to the brink of death?
     
  9. rwatson
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    Oh, I wasn't aware that Antarctica or any other location on earth was ever discovered by a boat barely long enough to lie down in !
     
  10. WindRaf
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    rwatson,
    was a rhetoric response to rhetorical statements.

    I can also say that with a 10 ft went several times to the moon, the depths of the Marianas, and Messner went alone with his 2 feet in solitary and has climbed Everest without oxygen.
    In relation to navigation in Antarctic seas in small boats I suggest you get yourself a google search on 'Shackleton'.
     
  11. TANSL
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    Humanity makes its discoveries when she has the tools needed in each case, and especially when she has a little luck. It is very true that luck is to be found. It is true that many adventurers have advanced mankind but do not forget that, fortunately, many discoveries have occurred without physical danger to anyone. On the other hand, one can think that what an adventurer gets is not a progress for humanity, but an advance in the time of an event which, without the adventurer, would also occur.
     
  12. WindRaf
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  13. pdwiley
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    I suspect that - once again - I know *considerably* more about the Shackleton expeditions than you do.

    Point of fact, Shackleton did NOT sail TO Antarctica in a small boat. He sailed FROM Elephant Island in the 'James Caird' which, IIRC was 22' long or thereabouts. I can't be bothered walking to my reference library to check the exact length.

    The next point is, he sailed that boat out of utter desperation, to save his life and the lives of his crew, because there were no other choices available, after his expedition ship was beset then crushed in the pack ice.

    He didn't go skiving off on an 'adventure' in a grossly inadequate boat when he had many, many other choices, just to address middle age angst of some sort.

    I'm quite happy if people want to do utterly stupid things just because that's what they want to do. I'm quite happy for them to ignore all advice in their pursuit of their aims.

    What I'm decidedly UNHAPPY about is when those activities, foresee-ably dangerous and plain idiotic, result in other people being dragged in to look for the remains, or rescue the protagonist when he finds that life imitating a tennis ball in a washing machine isn't all he thought it to be. I'd think 3 times before venturing into the Southern Ocean in my 12m steel sailboat, because I've been there and I know from first hand experience what the weather and sea conditions are like.

    And you? What's your seagoing experience in polar seas?

    PDW
     
  14. rwatson
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    Windraf, your 'rhetoric' comment had a such an obvious underlying theme, that I could not possibly let you get away with that.

    There was nothing rhetoric about the comment " There is an excellent chance that you will get killed" that you were replying to, and to infer that the 'spirit of adventure' should override common sense is just foolish.

    Just to fololw on from PDW's excellent analysis please let me add that the Jame's Caird was the end result of a LOT of preplanning and a much bigger boat.

    If you care to look up Shackletons store list, he started out with a hugely larger ship for his supplies, then despite his best efforts was left with almost nothing to save himself and his men.

    THIS is the ship he started with, not some grossly inadequate floating box.

    There are plenty of ways to kill oneself, but delusions of adequate preparation in a boat under 15 feet for open seas, has to be the one of the silliest.
     

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  15. WindRaf
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    The most traumatic experience of my life was a few years ago, in the Philippines, when I tasted a bottle of Australian wine.
     
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