Any Plan ? Skin on Frame FULLY CLOSED Canoe Shaped Boat

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  1. mustafaumu sarac
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    mustafaumu sarac Senior Member

    I need a maximum 4 meters long , preferablly canoe shaped boat with skin on frame method and FULLY CLOSED to elements.

    Is there such a boat design and plans ?

    Umut
    Istanbul
     
  2. BlueBell
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    BlueBell Ahhhhh...

    Wait a minute... I remember you.
    You mean FULLY ENCLOSED, just like you said.
    One person and low budget, right?
    Means of propulsion?
     
  3. JamesG123
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    Wouldn't that make it a kayak?
     
  4. mustafaumu sarac
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    mustafaumu sarac Senior Member

    Hello , I need a sleeping bag like tight and low profile , easy to sleep inside , do not need to mess with waves , rain , cold and sun outside of the boat.
    I bought a 4 layers , minus 42 celcius sleeping bag and I am thinking to winter in it after summer. I need a boat inside like an sleeping bag not more.
    I am outsourcing the plans because it can be thought better. Thanks.
     
  5. mustafaumu sarac
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    mustafaumu sarac Senior Member

    it will be an sail boat
     
  6. JamesG123
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    JamesG123 Senior Member

    Still trying to sneak into Italy eh?
     
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  7. Phil_B
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    Don't we all? >};o)
     
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  8. BlueBell
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    BlueBell Ahhhhh...

    Shazam!

    4m skin-on-frame.
    Okay, I've built one of these for a race.
    We won.
    We paddled but you could put a mast on it.

    Do you have access to lumber?
    2x4's?
    2x2's?
    1x2's? ... all in 2m lengths?
    6mm plywood?
    screws?

    What do you have for skin?
    Pallet wrap, 500m roll works great.
    Packing tape or Tuck Tape available?

    You'll need to go for two, small, narrow outriggers.
    Not more than 2m apart.

    Can you get 4, 5 or 6 mm acrylic sheets, clear?
    For a canopy.

    I have the plans, they're simple.

    Do you have a mast?

    It's a one way, one use boat, right?

    So, what do you have for skin?
     
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  9. kapnD
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    Ah, I’m getting the concept!
    It’s a floating coffin equipped with a mummy bag!
    How about a length of shoulder width PVC pipe with a weighted keel and a small kite?
    Just lay in it sailing downwind and wait for the bump!
     
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  10. upchurchmr
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    Difficult to get into a "fully closed boat".

    Check out any SOF kayak.
    You will have trouble supporting much sail area.
    Do you want outriggers?
    How much sail area?

    Better get some decent skin if you are going to sail.

    Please explain some more, cause what you said is easy, if you don't care about how well it works or how long it lasts.

    Check out Dave Gentry - Home http://www.gentrycustomboats.com/
     
  11. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    See: Geodesic Airolite Boat DesignsBoatsRob Roy 14 (a SOF adaptation by Platt Monfort of a Rob Roy cruising kayak by L. Francis Herreshoff)

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    I'm sure you can add a mast and a sail and a leeboard and a rudder and some outriggers and a streamlined SOF cabin and stretch out your sleeping bag inside the hull, but I'm sorry to say LOA is 13' 10¼" (4.22 m), so alas she's 849⁄64" (22 cm) too long to comply with your strict demands. . . o_O
     
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  12. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Here's the original Rob Roy 14 as designed by L. Francis Herreshoff . . .

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  13. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    I'm sorry, this is going to be a bit smelly, but I'm breaking my head over it, since apart from the lack of storage for food and potable water I don't see how you can fit an outhouse inside the hull, or even doing your business inside on a bucket, so how do you plan to produce your personal floaters when you're just lying inside all the time, or does the first issue solve the latter . . ?
     
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  14. Manfred.pech
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    Hi, have you ever thought about a home-built folding boat? It is easy for tranportation: Homebuilt Folding Kayak https://schoonerdrummer.com/diy-projects/homebuilt-folding-kayak/ and stowing away.
    Or something simple like this (23 lbs !): https://www.instructables.com/id/Sawfish-foam-kayak-build-a-funtional-light-wieght-/

    Most important is training: Freya Hoffmeister https://de-de.facebook.com/freyahoffmeisterpage/videos/training-kayak-ergometer/10155991191472838/
    You can learn a lot from Freya Hoffmeister. She has rounded Iceland 2007, New Zealand 2009, South America 2011 - 2015, Ireland 2016 and is on her way around
    North America since 2017 - ?. English http://freyahoffmeister.com/video/english/
    She has developed a simple system to sleep in her Kayak in open waters during long passages without landfall.
     
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  15. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Manfred's post #14 links offer the info and the option to actually go, but it needs to mess with waves, rain, cold and sun outside of the boat a bit, and to do something, but from Umut's info posted here and on previous threads, I'm afraid that's where his not going anywhere weakness lies.
     
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