America's Cup

Discussion in 'Sailboats' started by Guillermo, Feb 18, 2006.

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Which one is going to win the Louis Vuitton Cup?

Poll closed Jun 5, 2007.
  1. Luna Rossa

    3 vote(s)
    33.3%
  2. Emirates New Zealand

    6 vote(s)
    66.7%
  1. xarax

    xarax Previous Member

    Congratulations to both of them, Kiwis-Defenders and Kiwis- Challengers. They tried hard and succeeded: moving these ACC dinosaurs with such elegance was a great achievement indeed. A New Zealand s Cup once more.
     
  2. RANCHI OTTO
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    RANCHI OTTO Naval Architect

    W Alinghi..next time in Italy....(Trapani?)
     
  3. Stephen Ditmore
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    Isn't it interesting that the four boats above finished in exactly the order of their Cp .... if YADES ordering of them is correct. My take is that a higher Cp gives a boat the ability to pass another boat when a gust comes along, especially downwind when the trailing boat gets the gust first (and can cover the opponent). So the best designers don't optimize Cp for the boat's average speed. They optimize Cp for the gusts and use narrow, low wetted surface sections to offset any light air disadvantage.
     
  4. Roly
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    Food for thought,alright!
    On another tack. I'm dissapointed in the embryonic 90' rule.
    All the new entrants;How do they feel? Great welcome to the AC huh!
    Hope it doesn't get off the ground--lack of entrants.
    Ernie doesn't seem to have empathy with the sailing "public".
    I think they are just trying to drive home the last nail in the nationalistic coffin.
     
  5. Guillermo
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    From Scuttlebutt:

    SPORTS AND COURTS
    From the moment that the Alinghi team, winner of the 32nd America's Cup,
    presented the Protocol on July 5th for the next event, questions about its
    validity in Valencia grew rampant. The date of the event was not stated, nor
    was the type of boat defined. Alinghi had labeled the Spanish challenge of
    Club Náutico Español de Vela (Desafio Espanol) as the Challenger of Record,
    whose role with the defender is to define the rules for the 33rd event.
    However, with so much power being bestowed on the defender, and so little
    protection being provided to the challengers, the Spanish press attacked,
    calling the Club Náutico Español de Vela mere puppets of Alinghi.

    Since the Protocol was announced, most of the challengers have met
    informally a few days ago in Valencia to share their concerns, and now the
    Golden Gate Yacht Club (BMW Oracle Racing team) has officially launched the
    first frontal assault. They have submitted notice to the defender's club,
    Societe Nautique de Geneve (SNG), that the Spanish challenge is invalid
    based on the terms of the Deed of Gift, and therefore the Protocol is
    equally invalid. Among other deficiencies are that the Spanish apparently
    formed a club for their challenge only a few days before their challenge was
    accepted by SNG, and that it has never held an annual regatta as is required
    by the Deed.

    While the 32nd America's Cup was for the most part clear of courtroom drama,
    the 33rd rendition looks to be back in the saddle. Here is the letter that
    the Golden Gate Yacht Club has presented to SNG that details their position,
    and presents themselves on behalf of the BMW Oracle Racing team as the new
    Challenger of Record: http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/news/07/0712

    * Return volley: The BYM News website has posted a translated response from
    the Spanish challenge: http://www.bymnews.com/news/newsDetails.php?id=11971
     
  6. Guillermo
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  7. water addict
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    An abritration panel appointed by Alinghi.

    An absolute farce.

    AC enters the world of professional wrestling.
     
  8. Roly
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    After a brief hearing in the New York Supreme Court today before Justice Cahn, the Société Nautique de Genève (SNG) is pleased to announce that the Judge did not grant theGolden Gate Yacht Club’s (GGYC) application for an injunction, and instead ordered the parties to submit written legal arguments designed to dispose of the case in the shortest possible time. The Judge set the 22 October as the date to hear legal arguments to resolve the central issue, which focuses on the validity of Club Náutico Español de Vela (CNEV), the Spanish challenge, accepted by the SNG after winning the 32nd America’s Cup.
    The Spanish challenge, CNEV, also advised the Court that it will intervene in the case as a party so as to reinforce and confirm its legal standing as Challenger of Record for the 33rd America’s Cup.

    Importantly, this is the second successful legal outcome in only a matter of days, following the America’s Cup Arbitration Panel’s ruling over the weekend that declared legitimate the Challenger of Record, and that the 33rd Protocol complies with the Deed of Gift.

    “Naturally we are pleased with this outcome which is another welcome positive result in this unfortunate legal process,” said Hamish Ross, Alinghi General Counsel, adding: “As we had asked the Court, SNG will be submitting, as planned, its motion to dismiss the case entirely, and we look forward to having an opportunity to clear this matter up as quickly as possible on the date set by the Court. We now need to draw a line under the uncertainty and damage created by the Golden Gate Yacht Club and BMW Oracle Racing’s actions and focus on the future.”

    Meanwhile work continues apace on the 33rd Americas Cup in Valencia following the first Competitors Commission meeting on Friday of last week and with further meetings being scheduled. This period of consultation with the five registered challengers runs until the end of October when the new class rule will be published, ensuring that the America’s Cup remains at the pinnacle of international sailing.


    Just a preamble to the real arguments. I hope,or the AC will be tarnished further.
    "following the America’s Cup Arbitration Panel’s ruling over the weekend "
    This was a media excercise.Note it was held just days before the court hearing.
     
  9. Guillermo
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    From Scuttlebutt:
    DIVIDING THE PIE - AMERICA'S CUP STYLE
    AC Management (ACM), organiser of the 32nd America's Cup, announced that
    they would be distributing 90% of the EUR 66.5 millions net surplus the
    event generated over the past four years to participating teams. This EUR
    66.5 million surplus comes from a total revenue of EUR 240 million,
    generated largely through the city bid and the four year sponsorship
    program, but also through TV rights, the hospitality program and the
    concessions and marinas of Port America's Cup.

    To provide a little clarity as to exactly what this means, the Protocol for
    the 32nd event stated that for any surplus remaining after the event, the
    Defender gets 45%, the Challengers (as a group) get 45%, and ACM receives
    10% as a management fee. We assume that the EUR 240m is the gross revenue,
    and that after expenses, there was about 30% remaining, or approximately EUR
    73.9m. After ACM took their 10% cut of about EUR 7.4m (approx USD 10.3M), we
    get to the EUR 66.5m amount mentioned in their announcement, of which
    Alinghi gets half (EUR 33.25m). The remaining EUR 33.25M (approx USD 46.1m)
    get divided amongst the 11 challengers. -- Here is the complete ACM
    announcement: http://33rd.americascup.com/en/index.php?idcontent=15&idpage=1
     
  10. Guillermo
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    Guillermo Ingeniero Naval

    Next ACC to be sailed in A-Class catamaran.

    From Scuttlebutt:

    LAST-MINUTE NEGOTIATION SETTLES CUP DISPUTE
    A resolution to the America's Cup stalemate came today from unexpected source. Bill Goggins, President of Sail America, announced that his organization has brokered an agreement between the rival syndicates. In a brief press release, Goggins announced that the next Cup will be sailed in the singlehanded A-Class Catamaran. "The A Cat is an obvious choice," says Goggins. "Both teams agree that accepting the class cuts down on preparation time, limits the expenses, and generally expedites the competition so the Cup can move ahead."
    http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com:80/
    ;)
     

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  11. RHough
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    What is the date on that story ..? :D
     
  12. Roly
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    :D :D
    My apologies...but it is April 1st & rumour moungering is rife especially in these last few hours.
    I think Randy just might know the source. :cool:
    As in individual(s) from another forum where good ideas,good minds,up to the minute info, and downright lies
    abound.
     
  13. Paul Scott
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    Paul Scott Senior Member

    In a move to keep the AC sailing monohulls, I have heard it's going to be sailed out on Moths, designed and built between now and the event, May 12, 2008. I could not pin down who might be designing the boats, but Doug Petersons' name has been floating around.

    Interestingly enough, Bertarelli and Ellison will be the sailors. According to my sources, the final choice came down between Mini 12's, DC's, Snarks, and the Moth. Both sailors are dieting, and the venue will be announced later, although Lake Zurich and San Fransisco Bay are touted as front runners. Observers are quite certain that a nuetral site will win out though, as both sites, although obvious, are problematic.

    Please know that the release of information concerning the A Class catamaran as the sail off class is FALSE, and NOT to be given credibility.

    That's all I have for now.
     
  14. brian eiland
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    Guillermo is from Spain, so Im not so sure he knows of 'April Fools' day
     

  15. Paul Scott
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    He will now.....
     
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