Americas Cup: whats next?

Discussion in 'Sailboats' started by Doug Lord, Feb 14, 2010.

  1. peterraymond
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    Speed? No wind!

    We appreciate how incredible the performance of these machines was and we really understand what it takes to travel the speeds they do. However, we are not really the target audience. The best show is the contest between two boats fighting each other for every advantage and fighting the waves and the wind for speed.

    That show was missing. The boats are rockets, but it was all too calm. Where was the show? A good show is a VOR surfing the Southern Ocean waves looking like a dinghy at 25 knots. A great show is solid water over the foredeck, all while sweating the next crossing and maneuvering for clean air.

    Maybe financial success depends on demographics, population centers and product placement. The show and the competition needs speed, but more it needs a challenging venue and hard fought competition you can see happening in front of you.

    Yes, this sounds like advertising copy. Give me a minute and I'll calm down.

    Peter Raymond
     
  2. Guest62110524

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    oh the answer to that is easy, he is pissed the global crisis thread is kaput, as the crisis has passed? Eh Zed:)
     
  3. Zed
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    Zed Senior Member

    Pissed me off? LOL jeezus no. That don't mean I need to pretended that the race was something it wasn't. You are the one that took the general spray and the monohull guys. Jeez if i took a spray at the average multi ***** we could have fun couldn't we?

    I do wish that they would fix the AC but given who won.... I doubt that will happen, my prediction is more of the same, but still lets wait and see.

    Whoosh...

    Over, sorry dude that was about the entre', sadly. Much more poo coming our way and gov is doing its level best to make it worse. If we are lucky things will hold together to around 2012... if not this could be another entertaining year. Anyway... you really don't want to talk about that, have a beer and faggit.
     
  4. Guest62110524

    Guest62110524 Previous Member

    Zakkly what knew you would say, I,m abt ahead now, I am going to wait til June and out
     
  5. Leo Lazauskas
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    Leo Lazauskas Senior Member

    I'll just have plain chips with the beer, Zed. But it's your shout so I guess you can choose your own nibbles.

    Leo.
     
  6. Zed
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    Zed Senior Member

    JD chaser's...

    Gravy on the chips?

    You lot do that doncha?

    OR , my good man, do you mean crisps?

    AC, what now....?

    1. Law suit and a new race.
    2. Gentleman's agreement on a suitable format.
    3. Hell with the boats we will just do this in court!
    4. We will all race our boat of choice around a standard course in our own country and virtualize the race on the interweb thingy.
    5. All the sailors will have a piss up in Vegas last man standing phones the result in --> cheap, no boats required and lawyers can't hold their liquor.
    6. We race cane toads instead.

    Any others ideas?
     
  7. Gary Baigent
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    Gary Baigent Senior Member

    What are you drinking Zed, that Foster's expletive? - what about Coopers? - that doesn't screw your brain so much.
     
  8. Zed
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    Zed Senior Member

    Fish live in Coopers... and there is a mean mother of a hang over in the bottom of every bottle.

    Shiraz... pls, with some age on it.

    Come on... give us some idea's, how they gunna fix this race... and don't start with the what's wrong with it stuff!
     
  9. capt vimes
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    lol :D
    /signed

    but i doubt that cane-toad racing will ever become popular... at least outside Oz...
    you just wanna get rid of your pest in fashion... :)
     
  10. booster
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    booster Senior Member

    good thinking

    Good thinking!
    He he, interesting to see the high-tech "cane toads" involved.
    Regards,
    Booster
     
  11. CT 249
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    CT 249 Senior Member

    Well, that post illustrates the sort of thing that can make it hard to integrate two disciplines of the sport.

    The stereotypical mono sailors that are referred to in that post mentioned 'technical" points (tacking speed, tightness of rules, wind limits etc) for preferring one discipline in one event. Surely they have the right to have their own concept of what that event is about.

    For their sins, they are belittled, insulted, called cowards, psycholanalyzed...

    Surely the integration that some people here want more of will only come around when people are respected, even when they have different tastes in our sport and different visions of its future.

    The fact that there's no one discipline is better can be illustrated in many ways. The foiler Moth is a fantastic craft, but in recent years it has been no more popular than the ancient 1912-designed International 12 gaffer (which is going for International status once more). The guys who were fastest in the Tasar race last weekend also do well in sportsboats and got 4th in a cat worlds, yet they love the Tasar. The tri owner who used to run our biggest offshore multi event sails original Windsurfers. The national champ in that class was fought out by guys who love Lasers, Tornadoes, leadmines, canters, and kites.

    Those people can love and appreciate each discipline for being different in wonderful ways without abusing those who don't share their tastes. It's just called respect.

    If people from one discipline abuse those from another* because they value different things in our sport, it's no wonder the disciplines don't always get along.



    * yes, plenty of mono sailors don't know the strengths of a cat. Well, many cat sailors don't know the strengths of a windsurfer, and many mono sailors don't know the strengths of a windsurfer.
     
  12. Gary Baigent
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    Gary Baigent Senior Member

    CT, It's not that I dismiss other nautical designs, (for fargo truck's sake) it's just that there has been an imbalanced whinge from stain dyed monohullers that the AC has to return to what they selfishly think AC racing should be about, eg. the boring and stuck DVD, won't tack, gutless ******** won't sail in tsunami like I can, could be sailed in Optimists, etc.etc. Respect doesn't come into it. Everyone knows there are wonderful skills portrayed by sailors in all class types. However there are some spoiled, vociferous, older brats sailing monohulls out there who are used to having their own way and they totalitarian-like demand the AC return to their dogmatic viewpoints. Hopefully common sense will prevail, times have changed .... but I'm not holding breath.
     
  13. Zed
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    Zed Senior Member

    Edit: You know what... faggit... sheesh!
     
  14. Chris Ostlind

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    Geez, I guess I'm going to have to recompute everything I know. I was apparently operating under the mistaken impression that three times wind speed in ten knots of wind, UPWIND, was considerably more than a mild breeze... and that 30 plus knots of apparent on a reach was something akin.

    Oh, well, back to the drawing board of life... ;-(
     

  15. CT 249
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    CT 249 Senior Member

    There are also spoiled, vociferous brats sailing multis who abuse mono sailors. And there are reasonable, intelligent people sailing monos and multis who pick up on the abuse and perpetuate it. I have a good mate who sails tris and often abuses leadmines and says he cannot understand why people sail them. Is he a spoiled vociferous brat?

    While either side insults and attacks the other; while they stereotype their points as symptoms of mental illness or solidified thinking, the sailing world will remain a lesser place than it could be if the points of view of other people were respected.

    I'm fairly sure that if you look at these last few threads, almost all (perhaps all) of the personal abuse will have come from just one side. Luckily, there are a lot of more reasonable people on that side...it's just a pity they are drowned out by the personal, unreasoned abuse of anyone who dares to have a different view on our sport.
     
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