Amateur wants to build Blue water multi hull cruiser

Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by nickvonw, Oct 13, 2009.

  1. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    I'm not Alan, but Alan already gave the link earlier. 9 pages of report & photos from Wed Sep 26 2007 till to date.

    [​IMG]Angélique [​IMG]
     
  2. Fanie
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    Fanie Fanie

    Thank you, what's your name again Angélique ?

    You think I wouln't have noticed eh ? I just seem that daft ;) Yeah I know it's hard to tell.

    I've had a look at them pics before. Still the same ones.

    So, what kind of an angel are you ?
     
  3. apex1

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    I did not edit my post.

    yes you did not say several! That was twice the plural, I have to excuse. But "hundreds" is already plural, so it is several hundred thousands of dollars! Above the building cost (what ever they are) is, and remains to be, a dream! Set her up for sale, the real world will tell you the real value. And be sure 200k is about the max. you could get.
    The value/cost comparison btw. is independant from any economical situation, because in a recession you pay less for your parts too.

    Nowhere did I say one could buy a boat of that size for 200k !!! I said you build a boat of that value (at that cost). Which I now doubt, because you obviously like to cheat yourself.
    But! Of course at a tad above that figure one can buy a standard mass product of that size!
    You like to compare apples and orange I know.

    The largest yacht insurers leave it to the customer to set the value of the boat (within plausible limits). And of course they like it to get a higher value insured. (If they pay the higher value after a crash is another issue, one should be familiar with the fineprint, usually not!).
    And before we go deeper into that issue I may inform you that I have to insure about 100 vessel per annum and do that with the market leader (whos owner is a friend).

    Thank you Angelique to do the exchange rate calculation for me, but no need for false information!!! First I do that daily (or get it done), second, I said 200k not 150!
    Third and last, I do´nt need a self elected umpire when he (she) is not impartial.

    And my last comment here:

    It is always refreshing to see how vivid (and agressive) the multihull fraction here is responding. As refreshing is it, that the majority of our pro´s is always contradicted.
    You´ll find not a single thread here, where (when the question came up), the professional part of the Forum along with the active amateur builders, did not agree unisono, that DIY in general does´nt save much money.

    Amen
    Richard
     
  4. Alan M.
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    The kit costs around $70,000 with the plans. It includes enough Duflex, epoxy, glass, glue powder, and filler powder to build the bare shell. Not enough epoxy to fair it though.

    I'm sure Apex 1 would be willing to find you an equivalent boat for $200k ready to sail though, he says he can.
     
  5. Fanie
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    Eh Pex1 :D

    There are various reason's why one would consider DIY -

    You don't have to dish out a huge amount of money in one go,

    You can spend as and how it suits your pocket and time,

    There is HUGE self satisfaction involved,

    Some consider it as a personal challange,

    You learn more than you did in school (willingly),

    You appreciate it more and look after your boat better than the rich boy.

    I for one am of the opinion that every one out there should build at least one boat in his / her lifetime. You look at things differently when you did ;)
     
  6. Alan M.
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    <insult towards another member removed>

    You say the most I could sell my boat for is $200k, yet next paragraph you say one can't buy a boat that size for $200k? Dumbarse.

    And please show us the production 44' bridgedeck catamaran that can be bought new for "a tad" above $200k (Aus). I strongly suspect that's yet another of your lies.

    One more comment: it's always boring to see monohull people telling multihull people how much they think they know about their boats. Pity it always ends up being exactly the same amount - absolutely nothing.
     
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  7. Fanie
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    Fanie Fanie

    Nick, don't let all this bickering put you off or slow you down. Besides the disagreements, you will get some good advice from this forum (really !! :rolleyes:), these guys arguing are really very good friends, the augmentive part is just the art of conversation - if you agree with someone else all the time there is very little to talk about :D

    But do take note -

    It's been said already, the guys just want to argue about it for a while :D

    Oh yeah and who said what about when and why (male ego thing eh Angel :D)
     
  8. gonzo
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    The truth is you can buy a used boat in good condition for a fraction of what building a new one will cost. To start with, you will waste and ruin a lot of materials while you learn. If you are lucky, you will end up with something of fair quality. I am shipwright, and end up buying cheap used boats because they save me so much time and money. I have several boats in my wish list to build, but there are so many bargains that I end up getting another used one. A home built boat may be difficult to insure, specially when it is bigger. You will have to satisfy a surveyor and an insurer that the boat is seaworthy. Remember that most marinas, and some countries, won't let you in without insurance. Also, the investment of several years of work is a consideration. Your life may change in a decade. Even though you are not paying for your own labor, you could be making money in the meantime. Another major expense can be storage. Several years of it can be expensive.
     
  9. apex1

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    There is no point I would not sign Fanie! And you know that.:D


    I´ll skimp on a deeper reply to the more agressive part of our Forum here. No need to feed the flames............though it would be nice when some folks would practice a bit in reading!
     
  10. Fanie
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    Fanie Fanie

    Thank goodness... for a moment there I thought.... :D



    Gonzo, I can probably buy a 2nd hand boat, but to be honest it would not fit my personal requirements. I'm sure others feel the same about their boats. We all have different ideas as you could probably gather from this page alone.
     
  11. Alan M.
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    A fraction? Like 9/4 you mean? I looked at buying, and the simple fact is, for me, building was MUCH cheaper. Maybe if you bought something pretty old needing a serious amount of work... but then after all that work what you have is still an old boat.

    I think it also depends on what kind of boat - you can buy monohulls in reasonable condition very cheap. But bargain cats are harder to find. Also catamaran design has come a long way in recent years, where in most ways an old mono is just as good or even better than a newer one.

    It also depends on how you build it. Duflex kits are pretty easy, and wastage is minimal. Kits boats like the Fusion 40 are even easier and very quick. If you have to pay for accomodation for the boat, they might be a better option.
     
  12. gonzo
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    I am talking about the USA where the price of boats dimishes very fast. People want new boats, so the used boat market is always bloated.
     
  13. DaveJ
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    See thats it, the prices of multihulls here in Australia are so over inflated, it makes so much sence to build your own (from what i've seen, Australia is the multihull capital of the world, and the desginers here all cater to the home builder, that must say something). I did a quick check on the market www.boatpoint.com.au and looked for a boat that is the same size and design as Alan,s and i could not find one for the price of building, no where near infact.

    One thing i have noticed is the price on the boat is based more on its outfit than the make/design of the hulls, to a certain extent. But a better outfitted boat will fetch more on the market.
     
  14. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    stingy with pictures

    So you call 80+ pictures stingy ?? ;)

    Something like this...

    [​IMG] Angélique [​IMG]
     

  15. Fanie
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    Fanie Fanie

    Hi Angélique

    Actually this is / was Nick's thread :eek:

    I did mention I saw these pictures before, ALL of them :D
     
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