Amateur interior designer

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by Laax, Aug 2, 2016.

  1. Laax
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    Laax Junior Member

    Good evening to every one in the forum!

    This site has been told to me being the best in the subject of boat design.

    I'm growing a bit tired of my job and i've found myself spending a lot of free time observing yacht on the web and trying to imagine my dream boat.
    Since i also like interior design, i'm looking to merge these 2 iterests so i could maybe find a job in the industry.
    I would be very grateful if you could point me out a software which can automatically (given LOA, max beam and hull type) draw me the blank footprint of the decks of a yacht, so i can then use the shape in a CAD software and begin to fill the interiors.

    Thank you in advance for your time, kind regards
     
  2. Rurudyne
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    Rurudyne Senior Member

    I've tried a little in this vein and, unless you have a flat bottom boat, the real challenge seems to be figuring out how to use the side-print towards the bow. Looking up tiny houses helps on the idea front.

    One thing I've personally had to consider in my mad-scheming is a restroom that is handicapped access and, having a sister with cerebral palsy, also has room for someone to be in their with her to clean her up. This is a tall order in a not-giant boat! There also doesn't seem to be much out there just for handicapped access on yachts (some time ago I came across a handicap accessible charter yacht and the bathroom was scary: full of hard corners to bang heads against in a fall and even an adjustable mirror that could pulled down if grabbed to stabilize during bad weather).

    I say this only to suggest that if you can figure out something for that (not the cerebral palsy thing though, that's probably too unusual) you might be able to hammer out a niche for yourself.
     
  3. Richard Woods
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    Remember that unlike a house even a rectangular barge shaped boat has to float level. You can put a steeple in one corner of a church, no problem. But you cannot do that sort of thing on a boat!

    You cannot draw an interior on a boat without knowing its weight and centre of gravity. Things that don't really matter in a house. And oyu have to consider motion in a seaway, which varies according to hull shape.

    as I say "Rocket science is not rocket science but yacht design is"

    http://sailingcatamarans.com/index.php/faqs/15-general-questions/80-rocket-science

    Richard Woods of Woods Designs

    www.sailingcatamarans.com
     
  4. Laax
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    Laax Junior Member

    Thank you very much for your messages!

    Concerning accessibility for disabled people (hoping this is the inoffensive term, I'm Italian so I can't catch the different shades of meaning) I'm taking this out of the equation for now, the boat I'm designing is pretty large and I want a boat which is roomy and spacious to everyone.
    I've also read the 2 articles (and others on the same site)
    And of course I get the point.
    I don't have the knowledge to calculate the exact amount of force and weight, but I'm designing a quite symmetrical layout, I'd like to start a design trying to keeping everything balanced without making exact calculations for now!

    Actually the boat I have in mind is:
    Monohull displacement motor yacht, 160 ' of LOA and 9,30 meters of max beam (a bit higher compared to the average I think by looking various real yacht on the market, but I suppose it can be done)
    Steel for the Hull, Aluminum + something in carbon fiber for the superstructure (more weight in the bottom = more stability, right? Plus the hull is a very important part of the ship and I'd like to have it in steel so it won't break easily)

    The theorical speed using the formula is a bit low, I've read that with today's hull studies you can push that limit a bit further. I'm looking to achieve 18 knots of maximum cruise speed.

    The other things I can tell you regarding weight is that I'm looking for something similar to "Alfa Nero" where the designers actually "shifted" the interiors toward the bow leaving a very free Stern (less weight) and I also want to have 1 lesser deck compared to vessels of this size : lower, main, upper and on the cover of the upper deck just the transmission gears and maybe a touch and go helipad for emergencies, no run deck.

    I'm actually taking this as an "hobby" in the first place , so I need to have boundaries to make it at leat "real-ish" in the first place, but deeper revision may come in a second time!
     
  5. bhnautika
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    bhnautika Senior Member

    Laax don't get to side tracked by the “boat thing” as vessels in your size range the interiors are more house like than “boat”, yes you have to keep in mind weight, cg, etc, but until you have blocked the space and what’s in it there no point in going into that detail. Look at other layouts to get a feel for the areas and measurements involved, there are plenty to look at on the net. Interior design is now a separate discipline in these types of boats so there is a chance of a job, sketch and draw, build up a portfolio and study what's out there.
     
  6. Squidly-Diddly
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    I'm thinking a tent over a self bailing cockpit for an indoor/outdoor shower.

    A MacGregor would be the typical application.

    First thing I'd do with a boat with a nice big self draining cockpit is run a fresh water line to it, second thing I'd do is run hot water line, third thing I'd do is a privacy tent for showering and changing clothes.

    Never understood why people get those massive "built in" backyard BBQ structures out of brick etc. Something on wheels does just as good.

    What you need is a backyard sink and big counter space that drains into the sink....in the general area where you plan to cook, drink, etc.
     
  7. WestVanHan
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    WestVanHan Not a Senior Member

    Hey Laax, go and buy Sims 4 or maybe Sims 5.

    I designed my own house in 3D,gave the virtual house to an architect and told him to make it work. He only had to change a couple small things and design the roof and it was done.

    Just one example on youtube
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox71AksF0L8
     
  8. Laax
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    Laax Junior Member

    Hello again guys, here i come again with another question that came up while Ii was digging into design.

    I always thought that the floor of the lower deck in a yacht was slightly above the waterline level. I gave that for granted without checking because i thought it should be that way for security issues; however, I've just seen a picture of Ferretti 960 stern and i realized there were just 4 steps + something little more in height. This made me question about the effective level of the lower decks' floor and by comparing interior and exterior on that yacht i've found out that some of the lower deck is actually BELOW the waterline.

    Is this common on yachts in general? do you think it's better to keep all the lower deck above the waterline? If not, roughly how many cm in height of the lower deck can be left under the water line?

    Thank you as always in advance for your time
     
  9. TANSL
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    TANSL Senior Member

    You can put "the lower deck" of a yacht underwater. In fact, often well below the water line. There is no requirement of security in this regard. Another very different thing is the main deck, ie, the deck which reaches the top of the watertight bulkheads.
     
  10. Laax
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    Laax Junior Member

    This is good, would 60 cm below waterline work for the entire lenght of the yacht (i've a steel displacement hull in mind)? i know you get more below the waterline as you get closer to the middle of the ship...
     
  11. Rurudyne
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    Hey, Laax, here is a tool that may be useful in your efforts:

    http://www.openbuilds.com/threads/original-phlatprinter.25/

    This is an earlier version, now MK 3, claimed complete Open Source details to build.

    This critter could be used to cut foam (probably balsa too) to help make models to try out some of your ideas for those spaces where the hull and accommodations start bumping into each other.
     
  12. Laax
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    Laax Junior Member

    Thank you for your support, however i can't figure what i am supposed to do with that link :rolleyes:
     
  13. Rurudyne
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    Rurudyne Senior Member

    The link doesn't work for you?

    Well, you can search for Phlatprinter if you're interested.

    That particular link is for open source plans etc for the MK1 (if you can see them when you scroll down "build reviews details ..." are all links to those things, some of which may require you to register to access. Frankly, it wasn't obvious to me at first that those were links....).
     
  14. Laax
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    Laax Junior Member

    I still don't get it, forgive me i must look very dumb to you.

    It seems a software related to some kind of machine to build 3d models, but i can't understand how this is supposed to help me figuring out the things i was looking for :(
     

  15. Rurudyne
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    No. You don't look dumb at all. Please don't think that I think that.

    I was just thinking the ability to make models of the hull might make interior layout easier.
     
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