Alberg 30 Restoration Question.. Lazarette Bulkhead Replacment

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  1. wesley Sherman
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    Hello all, long time reader new poster with a question about moving a Lazarette Bulkhead in a Alberg 30. The bulkheads are on either side of the engine compartment, They seal the Lazarette off from the cabin. I have taken one out completely due to water damage, I have done allot of sailboat restorations over the years, so not a complete novice. I have never moved or contemplated a bulkhead move. So my desire is to move the current bulkheads on either side of the entry exit companionway back towards the stern by 1 foot. Looking at this seems 1 foot would not be catastrophic but I am not designer. I was also thinking of replacing the current bulkheads with a ring type bulkhead then putting full bulkhead back 1 foot the ring bulkhead put in just for shape support, if that is even needed.

    This Alberg 30 that I have is for myself and will be the last sailboat I will have, (Buy Choice). I have fully gutted the hull other than the main bulkheads. My desire is to have the Settees on either side of the companionway. Hence I would like to push the bulkheads back by 1 foot. So that I have 6'6" for the settees.

    Any comments are appreciated. The navel architect that I relied on for years, has recently passed, He helped me with the layout of my changes, due to his knowledge of the particular boat. But lately I have been wondering about an extra 1 foot for space for the settee length.

    Thank you all .

    Wesley
     
  2. bajansailor
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    bajansailor Marine Surveyor

    Welcome to the forum Wesley!
    Alberg 30's do appear to be very nice boats, and with a good reputation.
    According to Sailboat Data, they had a long production run, from 1962 until 1987.
    SailboatData.com - ALBERG 30 Sailboat https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/alberg-30
    Do you know how old your boat is?
    I am thinking that her hull lay-up is probably fairly generous, and that it should be ok for you to move your bulkheads back by 12 inches, to have settee / quarter berths each side of the companionway.
    I guess that you would then have the galley port and starboard forward of the settees? alberg_30_drawing.jpg
     
  3. wesley Sherman
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    Thank you for your response. Yes I am very familiar with this boat, When I was a young man my father was a owner of a 1968 Alberg 30, We sailed allot during my pre teens an teens. We sailed it from Canada through the Canal to SanFran, then eventually north to Eureka Ca. Alaska, Hawaii, Ecuador, Lima, Micronesia , Papua and many other places we went. Sadly our adventures ended when my father passed away. Now 30 years later I am finally going to some more sailing that we didn't get to do. I looked for a Alberg 30 hull for a time, couldn't find a good hull that was in good shape but not so expensive. I didn't want to pay 20+k for a hull that I was going to tear into and redo. Finally I did find find hull number 397, 1969 Boat.
    She is in excellent but was in sad shape in appearance. At the end of the day Windcall had three small areas of Wet core one on port side, one on starboard side and one port small area on the port side by the lower shroud. I have also about completed a new Laminated mast step beam with laminated teak an aluminum. Despite her lichen surface and dried areas of Gel coat on hull, even the survyer was amazed at her shape over all, said he had seen much nicer alberg 30 hulls in worse shape than this.

    So yes the galley will be forward of the Settees. I am keeping track of most the repairs an such via video as I go for a record for me to look back on an possibly to help others.

    I did however notice in removing a thru hull that this area of the hull is very thick half in and more in areas by the lazarette . Partially why I though moving it a bit would probably be ok.

    Hopefully other will weight in and get more ideas. I did see a alberg 30 hull long time ago . years ago, that there was no port bulkhead by Lazarette. I have no idea if it came that way or they made it that way.

    Thank you
     
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  4. bajansailor
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    bajansailor Marine Surveyor

    You have a fair bit of curvature in the hull (a nice wine glass shape?) and it does sound like she was built quite massively - fibreglass was still pretty new in the 60's, and the materials were relatively much cheaper (like gasoline), so the Builders could afford to be generous with their scantlings.
    Hence I think that the strength / integrity of the hull is most unlikely to be affected by your proposal to move your bulkheads aft by a foot.

    As you are tearing into your hull with a major re-build, you might find some interesting ideas for your Alberg on James Baldwin's webpage about his 28' Pearson Triton 'Atom', and all the changes he has made to her.
    Atom Voyages - Improvement Projects https://atomvoyages.com/articles/improvement-projects.html
     
  5. wesley Sherman
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    Yes i have pretty much read everything on web that I can find about A30, Triton, Dory's and similar refits, restore, mods. I wanted to know everything I could about this boat and other similar boats. And as my father loved this boat so do i still.... James Baldwin is pretty amazing and has great ideas,, almost anyone would have to appreciate is knowledge and ability. I have as well reached to possibly get his input as well.. since he has modified so many of these style of Alberg an other hulls.
    I am pretty sure I have found all the people that are and have restored or worked on similar hull that is on the web, along with supporting those souls currently out in there Alberg's in the big blue.
    I am also feeling that leaving a 4" wide ring frame type bulkhead well tabbed in place and moving it 12" Might be ok! I am hoping that Par will weigh in somewhere along the way!
    Thank you for your time an input!

    Wesley
     
  6. Doug Johns
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    Wesley - I am familiar with this particular Alberg - as it was owned by my parents for over 30 years!
    Wesley - If this Alberg 30 is Windcall (and I do recognize the sail number) I know something about this boat - my parents owned Windcall for over 30 years! If you would like some background on it, I'd be happy to chat.
     
  7. wesley Sherman
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    Hello Mr Johns,

    Yes this was your fathers boat! I have heard about Mr John from various people! over the last couple of years, Even to the encounter with the car off a pier.
    Even though the boat was in sad shape when i came across her, it was evident she had been very well cared for and I was impressed by the lay out of the electrics, He must have known something about electrics.
    I feel in love with this boat and the name when I found her and decided to keep the name.
    I sailed on one of these boats as a young man with my father and was very happy to find this one. In less than two years she will be floating again.
    Wind Call was sad to look at but over all she is great shape, only three wet core spots which are at the final stages of completion, Bulk heads are repaired and tabbed and fiber-glassed. Engine was not repairable, I am rebuilding a 3 cylinder diesel nearing completion to install. I have built a new Mast Step Beam and its about ready to install.
    Your fathers boat is going to shine once again..

    I am also sorry for the loss of your father! As were many folk in Chesapeake that knew him, from his trip or trips there. There were a few people seeking to buy Wind Call from the Alberg Assoc.

    Wesley

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  8. Doug Johns
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    Wesley - Thanks for your response. I'm glad Windcall is in good hands. Attached in the infamous "car on a boat" in Newport, RI sometime in the 1970's.
    As you can imagine, the chainplates were pulled out of the port bulkhead - the shrouds effectively "caught" the car after it jumped the seawall.
    Good luck with the restoration - please post a pic when you are done!
    All the best,
    Doug

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  9. DCockey
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    What's the story of the car between the bukhead and boat?
     
  10. Doug Johns
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    The boat was in a slip next to the yacht club parking lot during a cruise my parents were taking from Long Island up to Maine. An elderly gentleman driving in the lot stomped on the accelerator instead of the brake and launched the car over the seawall - and onto the boat. My parents were having lunch on a elevated covered patio at the time (thank goodness they were not on the boat) and noticed fire trucks heading to the yacht club. My father had his binoculars with him and looked out towards the boat and to his horror, saw the car sitting on it. Needless to say, lunch was cut short. Fortunately, this was in the days that the America's Cup still sailed out of Newport, and a very capable boat yard (which also was servicing one of the America's Cup boats) undertook the repair job.
     
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    Doug, thanks for the reply. How did the driver get out of the car? Was a crane used to remove the car?
     
  12. Doug Johns
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    Not sure how the driver got out but the thought was the boat may have saved his life by catching the car. It was a big car and probably would have sunk quickly. And yes, a crane was used to lift the car off the boat.
     

  13. Doug Johns
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    By the way Wesley, I think the boat was also effectively totaled (for insurance purposes) in the mid-1980's. My parents were once again sailing up to Maine and a hurricane hit (I think it was Gloria) when they were anchored near Newport. Windcall was well-secured (and my parents sat out the storm inland) but another boat broke free and crashed into the Alberg and dragged in ashore. My Dad took the insurance money, had the necessary repairs done and kept cruising. While my parents hadn't sailed on it much the last several years with my mother's declining health, from the mid-1970's to the mid-1990's, Windcall sure covered a lot of miles and was well-used. Once again, my siblings and I are glad to see you are putting it back together. We have enjoyed your video and look forward to seeing another update as your project progresses.
     
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