Aftmast rigs???

Discussion in 'Sailboats' started by jdardozzi, May 28, 2002.

  1. brian eiland
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    I was simply quoting what the website quoted. I assume this was what the vessel's designer were told to execute, because of the previous experiences by the client.

    The client apparently had had several vessels before with roller furling booms.

    I brought that subject vessel up for several reasons, primarily at first because it had a similar 3-jib like leading sails on 2 mast, plus an 'upside-down, fisherman sail filling that triangular space between two of those leading leading sails.,....akin to the rig I made reference to with this Doyle CFD study, a jib-schooner.

    Naturally I also found it interesting that with the all-furling aspect he could have easier handling as I have expressed before for my aft-mast rig.
     
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    http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-catamarans/hitchiker-15-metre-sailing-cat/182889

     
  3. CT249
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    Ouch!
     
  4. upchurchmr
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    Hard to know the details of the mast/ rig installation which caused the decision to go more conventional.
    More detail might give useful information if this really is an "ouch".
     
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    This is not new. Brian seemed to have no involvement with it and when he first saw the pics said the implementation looked poor. Just because this guy didn't get it to work doesn't mean its no good if done correctly. My post was not intended to be disparaging. But it seemed relevant to this thread.
     
  6. brian eiland
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    Granted, it was relevant to the subject thread.

    But as you said I had nothing to do with this adaption of my ideas. You can take one look at the forestay(s) sagging in this photo and realize that is it an extremely poor adaptation. It is even a poor adaption of the Prout rig.
     
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    Kojii's real life experiences with an aftmast setup

    Here is a better idea of something that did work,...in real life
    Orca update FWIW Hove-to under staysail

    ...and like I've touted that 'staysail' (or as I refer to it 'mainstaysail') does it duty.

    More from Kojii:
    Semi-crabclaw

    ...perhaps some might search back thru this subject thread (or the whole forum) for more photos and comments by Kojii

    This rig worked for him after he learned how to set it up and use it.
     
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    Had to go back thru the subject thread to find where this subject vessel first came up. Here are my comments on it at that time:

    Posting #732
     

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    Isn't it "ouch" either way? Either it's "ouch" because the rig doesn't work, or it's "ouch" because the rig does work, but someone is publicly claiming it doesn't.
     
  10. brian eiland
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    It's an 'ouch' either way. :eek:
    BTW I wrote to the gentleman and he sent me an apology and removed that ad as written.
     
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    Headsails for Offshore passagemaking

    This morning I was skimming thru the internet on some sail shape and new materials technology. I ran across this from a very respected sailmaker.

    http://hancockarticles.blogspot.com/2015/11/headsails-for-offshore-passagemaking.html
     
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    Eiland rig

    To whom it may concern.
    Recently an ad that I posted implied a deficiency in the "Eiland rig". The ad was meant to say an "Eiland type rig". At no point did Brian Eiland have any input into the construction or design of my rig and I unreservedly apologise to Brian for any harm I may have caused with the poor wording of the ad. If interested in an "Eiland rig" please contact the designer for consultation and informed comment on the rig. I have posted this to right a perceived wrong and have not been asked to do so.
    Yours sincerely
    Al.
     
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    Thanks for that clarification Zen
     
  14. Kojii
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    Kojii All is remodelling

    Understand the dynamics. Agree...so far our experience has been to allow the staysail to range, and it depowers by bulging and boom flying. We have yet to find the need for a reef. It is small (230 ∆), the luff rake I have heard described as "extreme" (~45°,), and the CE is where many Marconi-type rigs have the boom. Something that may be difficult to imagine without sitting in the saddle. FWIW
    Entering Left coast anchorages late in day with gusty NW winds and rolling breakers abeam is still thrilling but no need to go on deck.
     

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    Sail Material(s) for limited inventory, all-furling rig

    http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/materials/titanium-sails-holy-grail-sails-56001.html
     
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