AC 45 World Championship Cheating??

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  1. Corley
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  2. Blackburn
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    Thanks for the link Corley, it was an interesting read and particularly Gladwell's prior article on the April 2nd report of the Hearings Committee!

    It seems to me in this scandal, that Coutts has focused all his energy on being critical of the people trying to repair the damage done.

    Has Coutts since August last year been equally vociferous anytime, about what was obviously studious cheating with these supposedly ne plus ultra one-design boats?

    If he has, I'd like to see or read it.

    I see a similar comment on Coutts' facebook page as follows:

    What is the answer to that?

    Those who cooked up and imposed the ridiculous Article 60 of the Protocol for the 34th America’s Cup can't complain too much, if their feet are still being held to the fire.
     
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    Kipling's IF...

    If you can keep your head when all about you
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
    If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
    But make allowance for their doubting too;

    If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
    Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
    Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

    If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
    If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
    If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
    And treat those two impostors just the same;

    If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
    Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
    And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

    If you can make one heap of all your winnings
    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
    And lose, and start again at your beginnings
    And never breathe a word about your loss;

    If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
    To serve your turn long after they are gone,
    And so hold on when there is nothing in you
    Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

    If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
    Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
    If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
    If all men count with you, but none too much;

    If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
    Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
    And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son.


    EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER
    "Memoirs Of An Officer And A Gentleman"

    ...I was taught how to win
    And to lose with that "get you next time" smile,...

    As I said before

    As Rafiki said...
    "It doesn't matter. It's in the past. [laughs] "
    Simba: "Yeah, but it still hurts."
    Rafiki: "Oh yes, the past can hurt. But from the way I see it, you can either run from it, or... learn from it."
     
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    Don't think there is much hurt there, jehardiman, just a pile of abuse to the doubter/conspirator-ists/Kiwi ******* - but we do know that Oracle are are pack of <removed>. I mean look at their history, ingrained, must win no matter how, ******* win - and Coutts aint no friend of the Kiwis anymore. As for that son of the convicts, ha.
     
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    Jehardiman,
    that was outstanding!

    image.jpg
     
  6. Doug Lord
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    Thank you Jehardiman-the Kipling quote is just amazing!
     
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    Yes, and your unreasoning tirade shows how effective a false flag cheating charge can be. Say it loud enough and long enough and soon some people may believe it.

    With the loss of the Cup on the line, why would the Defender knowingly cheat in a situation (the AC 45's) where it gains nothing and stands to lose all? 3 of the 4 kingposts as found on 2 OTUSA boats used by the Spithill-Ainslie-JP Morgan BAR teams, were not per class spec and had been altered. The kingpost of the BAR boat (#9) had been altered before the boat came into OTUSA possession, and was not modified in the same way as the other Spithill-Ainsile boat (#4). The 2 kingposts on the 3rd boat used by OTUSA (#5, Coutts), had not been altered. The international jury then determined who was responsible for the alterations, and the 4 were dismissed by OTUSA.

    However, the charge of wholesale cheating by OTUSA was planted just to cast doubts on the Defender. Nobody wants to be trounced like Michael Fey, Alinghi, and ETNZ, so it recently seems that more and more people want to win the Cup in the courts rather than actually have to sail for it. FWIW, the Cup has always been covered in controversy, ever since AMERICA herself cut inside of the Nab Rock lightship.
     
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    ^^^

    I can't decide if that entré into this thread was creative or not;

    Poetry, irrelevant, and by someone else, in the first installment,

    Then his own concocted fictions, in the second.


    :rolleyes:
     
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    Correct, one should never argue with fools and fanatics. Perhaps it is time that this thread with all its hate and lies be consigned to the ash pile of history...because that is what it is.
     
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    Thats a great idea!
     
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    Anyone who bothers to read this thread - which it really doesn't seem that you have - will find that instead of 'hate and lies', it is more about jury findings and waiting for the same, while OTUSA dragged their feet.

    ;)
     
  12. Gary Baigent
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    Pathetic, quasi religious attempt at poetry, nothing to admire there. Sounds like the usual righteous indignation emanating from ... turkeys who know they're a pack of cheating anal passages. Repeat this inept soft nonsense enough times ... and as you say, jehardiman, people may believe it Works everytime. But before we go ... Oracle HAS been convicted of cheating outrageously. But, whoopsey doo, let's soft soap lather everything with silly BS so it goes away. Pathetic.
     

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    It's probably a good time to close this thread since it's starting to turn more nasty than a place where interesting design information is shared. Closing the thread at this point.
     
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