AC 45 World Championship Cheating??

Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by Doug Lord, Aug 10, 2013.

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  1. Blackburn
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    This is nice.

    It sounds like the jury found out how much the guy from Boies Schiiller & Flexner was getting paid to appear, and then decided to at least charge twice as much themselves.

    :)


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    ^^^

    Leo, we don't know all of the details being looked at by the jury, and this showing of 'litigious potency' may have resulted in quieting down the spiraling rumors about additional embarrassments.
     
  2. Leo Lazauskas
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    Sadly, it would seem that this is not the first time the US boat is accused of cheating to ensure victory - This from XS Sailing :

    1895, Race 3, Valkyrie III (GBR) vs. Defender (USA): Lord Dunraven’s Valkyrie III declines to race the third race of the match and is labeled a “quitter” by the American Press. Valkyrie III crossed the start line, struck her racing colors and sailed for New York Harbor while Defender sailed the course to win the race and the match. Dunraven cited interference by spectator craft and dissatisfaction with the manner in which the New York Yacht Club was conducting the match for not continuing. It later emerged that Dunraven and his afterguard believed Defender was illegally ballasted. The NYYC held a hearing in December that year attended by Dunraven and his English Counsel, which exonerated Defender.

    Note: One of the last surviving crew of Defender later disclosed in a recorded interview in 1974 that Defender had pumped in and out illegal water ballast. (Mark J. Gabrielson, “Deer Isle’s Undefeated America’s Cup Crews,” History Press, Charleston, 2013, p109.)

    Assuming the crewmember was 20 years old at the time of the event, that would make him 99 at the time of the disclosure. Is this story a credible one ?
     
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    Delicious twists of the knife...

    More fun with Article 60!

    TOM EHMAN'S IRRESPONSIBLE AND UNREASONABLE BEHAVIOR


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    Ehman's motivation may be, that if there are enough allegations of cheating by everyone, it may then be easier for him to do spin later. So grab every opportunity to add to such allegations!

    May Tom Ehman be given occasion to wander the halls of GGYC, forever!

    ;)
     
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    Ehlman is similar, maybe a twin to USA's delightful Turd Blossom; perhaps Defecation Fungi would be an apt description.
     
  7. oceancruiser

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    Read the full article.

    The rule is no communications are allowed between crew members while the race is on and no communications from base or other sources whilst the race is in progress. Race control could not contact them to tell them the race had been abandon. A team new Zealand shore person Kevin shoebridge made contact with them to advise them the race was abandon. How? They supposed to have no radios or other communications on whilst racing and team NZ did not know the race had been abandon when shoebridge made the contact. How. by what means ?


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    ^^^

    The race committee asked the ETNZ chase boat to hail the team to let them know the race was abandoned, and the chase boat by one or another means did so. Have they officially mentioned what the chase boat did to get the crew's attention?

    I expect there a woman on board the chase boat who flashed her **** and displayed a VHF channel number!

    ;)
     
  9. oceancruiser

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    let them know the race was abandoned

    Answer No.

    So Shoebridge was on the chase boat was he? The story is in official story in the article via hyperlink more.. It did not appear that way. The chase boat was not along side at the time. Why didn't the start boat hoist the flag to indicate the notification in the usual manner like in nearly all races. On TV Dean was seen looking to the side mid ships then looked to the committee boat as to confirm the communication and it was then he realised it was abandon is my take from viewing.
     
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    Both boats have two-way comms provided by the event authority. Two-way comm between the chase boat and the race boat is allowed when not racing.

    The race boat is allowed to transmit to the chase boat during the race. The chase boat in not allowed to transmit to the race boat during the race. The way this is accomplished is the chase boat turns of the transmit function while the race boat is racing.

    The SI's will specify how the RC will notify of abandonment or postponement. It is not unusual to use VHF radio rather than flags when the racing boats are at a distance that makes flags of questionable value.

    The chase boats are under RC control as defined in the SI's so a direct request to the chase boat to contact the race boat should raise no eyebrows. Remember the reason for the abandonment was based on *safety*.

    When they canceled that race, the RC tried to hail the NZ race boat with no success. The RC then contacted the Chase boat to request they use the team comm channel to notify the race boat. The chase boat then turned on the transmitter and complied with the RO's request.

    After hearing from the chase boat the race was canceled the NZ race boat continued racing and hailed the RC for confirmation of the cancellation, only after getting that confirmation from the RC did they stop racing.

    Both boats (NZ & USA) have the system
    The NZ chase boat contacted the race boat *after* the race was canceled.
    The NZ chase boat was complying with the RC request using a system the RC knew they had (why else would they ask?)

    The nasty question is how is Oracle to know that the system is not used whilst racing. WTF? USA has the same system. the control mechanism is a switch. :cool:

    For anyone that thinks the equipment is not checked and monitored:

    From the attached
     

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    Oh, this thread is still alive? :D
     
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    Only barely. But who knows when it might revive in full force, Daiquiri?

    There were a few juicy tidbits of information which were suppressed,
    and which threaten, whenever they might be revealed, to reanimate the discussion.
    Who knows when?

    While all good threads eventually make it to thread heaven
    (I'm uncertain just where that is, but I suspect it is about on pages 3 or 4 of the index),
    this is on the other hand something of a less-than-perfect thread,
    a repository for unconfessed sins...

    ... an evil thread, a Zombie thread...

    :p
     

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    Indeed, I have the feeling that there will be some more discussion on this thread when those pesky skeletons are extracted from the closet (whenever that is ;))
     
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