AC 45 World Championship Cheating??

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  1. Blackburn
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    Perhaps that is what brought their attention to it - or maybe, as I assumed, they experienced it directly on the race course. And then watched the slow motion replay to confirm it?
     
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    From the jury's decision:

    96. The Jury has no intention to impose a penalty that will determine the outcome of the Match, which should best be determined on the water and not in the Jury room. But for these mitigating factors the penalty would have been heavier.

    99. Pursuant to Protocol Article 15.4(d)(iv), OTUSA shall be penalised one point for each of the first two races of the Match in which they would otherwise score a point.​

    Interesting logic needed to reconcile "The Jury has no intention to impose a penalty that will determine the outcome of the Match, which should best be determined on the water and not in the Jury room." with adjusting the score.
     
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    ...

    Next Jury Notice:

    JURY NOTICE JN117

    Protocol Article 60 and Oracle Team USA
    Protecting the Reputation of the America’s Cup

    DECISION


    Another very lengthy document, I'll have no trouble falling asleep tonight...

     
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    Yes, that's got me scratching my head too.
    A 2 point penalty doesn't by itself determine the outcome.
    Maybe they meant not expelling OTUSA from the competition?
     
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    How to interpret this? Like, the first two races won by the Oracle will be declared a draw (1 point won - 1 point penalty = 0 points)?
     
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    I think it's what someone else said: OTUSA need to win 11 races, and NZ need to win 9.
     
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    Same effect. It means that OTSUA has to win at least two more races than ETNZ to win the cup. It will be interesting if OTSUA wins 10 races and ETNZ wins 9 and the match.
     
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    Fairly off-topic (but concerning cheating)...
    Are performance enhancing drugs banned in the AC?
    If so, does anyone know of the testing protocols and if they are anywhere near as strict as for the Olympics?
     
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    ...

    Comment on SAAC by Monster Mash (Jury Notices thread):


    "I'm surprised they didn't address the attempted cover up.
    I'm told there are some A List names involved with that."


    ...

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    Oracle Team USA gets by with two-point penalty in the America's Cup match. The Jury didn't bite the hand that feeds it.



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    Oracle are now relieved that this isn't worse?
     
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    I'm just shocked that the decision has been known for nearly an hour and nobody has blamed Obama yet.
     
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    Just wait until Hoytedow notices this thread. :p
     
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    ^^^

    lol

    Leo, that is exactly why some of us seek out the America's Cup as a form of escapism; that Obama hasn't involved the government in it, yet!

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    Richard Gladwell's first take on the Jury's decisions:

    ... "The International Jury has exonerated Team principals, specifically Grant Simmer and Russell Coutts, and it was their actions once they became aware of the measurement issues that carried a mitigation factor, without which the penalties would have been more substantial. "
     
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    I'm waiting to hear Doug Lord's take on the decision :)

    At least we can cheer the NZ underdogs with a clear conscience from the moral high ground.
     
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    Another interesting question, would be if the cheating had been done by a team not competing in the americas cup. What would have been the out come be then.
     

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    After reading the reports I'm surprised at the extent of ETNZ's involvement in the jury process. My understanding is that in sport participants generally try to stay clear of any disciplinary process involving a competitor unless they were directly involved other than to respond to requests for factual information.

    From the Protocal Article 60 Decision http://noticeboard.americascup.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/JN117.pdf:
    SUBMISSIONS OF ETNZ

    25. At the hearing ETNZ provided both written and oral submissions.


    Statesments from the NZ press as quoted in post 147 make it appear that ETNZ could have been trying to influence the outcome of the jury process.
    The written decision is expected to be a weighty legal document that could take some ploughing through, but it could be pivotal to New Zealand's success at the San Francisco regatta. ... ​
     
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