a little astray, but what could you do w/ a boat like this?

Discussion in 'Powerboats' started by SinkingDream, Apr 9, 2018.

  1. SinkingDream
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    What good use could one of these old patrol boats serve?

    125' L
    24' B
    10 knt

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  2. chinaseapirate

    chinaseapirate Previous Member

    The Pacific Hunter would make a nice live aboard/cruiser. I'd strap six outriggers beams on it, convert some of the living space to a 600cubic foot ice chest and wag (72) Filipino 22ft fishing bangkas on it out to the Benham Reef "hotspot". Then charge them $40 each for the ride, which would be about 50% of their fuel bill, otherwise if on their own. 2 or 3 day trip and they catch 8,000kg, return with perfectly fresh fish, and enjoyed two 12-15 hour trips rides. Easy sell.

    Poachers near Benham Rise pose threat to local fishermen: BFAR http://news.abs-cbn.com/focus/03/30/17/poachers-near-benham-rise-pose-threat-to-local-fishermen-bfar

    This is an interview with A local fisherman (1/2 in English 1/2 in Filipino - both his 2nd and 3rd languages (probably- his parents could possibly have spoke two other dialects before he went to school). highlight of interview for me was when he said at 11:10 - rough translation- "If the foreign poacher's have a ship that catches a 1000kg the we need to defeat this with 1000 small bangkas which catch 10kg each". Since the "hotspot" is like 150 nautical miles from shore (i dont know where " the hot spot" is) they are spending an awful lot of fuel compared to paying for a ride. And they are motivated to go there. They are losing a 2 billion a year (more than likely IMO overestimated or maybe in Phillipine piso
    not dollars) to foreign vessels.

    Do it for expenses only if "profit" is not "good".

    Strange how how the other two patrol boats share the same, almost exact wheelhouse. Can't think of any use for them as they would have much larger engines and horrendous fuel bills.
     
  3. SinkingDream
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    SinkingDream Junior Member

    LOL

    Yep, they're all the same. Or were to start. They built 33 of them in 1927. So they are practically brand new! Guessing there are 5 - 10 still around in various states of (dis)repair.

    Estimate fuel consumption at 2 gal per nm, maybe 1 1/2 if you crawl. With a tail wind? Or a couple head sails?

    Hey, maybe cut the pilot house down and convert one to sail. Buy canvas instead of diesel.

    SD
     
  4. PAR
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    PAR Yacht Designer/Builder

    As to your origional question about what you can do with one of these, read go slow while sucking fuel like crazy, compaired to a similar, modern vessel. This is after you've patched, hammered and replaced much of the plating.
     
  5. chinaseapirate

    chinaseapirate Previous Member

    I don't know about that. Someone already raised the deck. Its posted speed limit is 10 knots. I didn't even recognize the ships as the same model since any warship has to be going 20knotss or so. 20 gallons/hr at 10 knots is sucking fuel like crazy?
     
  6. PAR
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    Shown above is the General Greene class patrol boat. They carried a crew of 20, were 125' LOD, about 24' beam, drew about 8' and displaced about 230 tons. Two 850 HP eight cylinder diesels, pushed this puppy to about 12 - 13 knots on a good day, with a cruise of about 8 knots. When decommissioned in 1968 and had her armament, etc. removed, they were re-powered with two 300 HP units. These were marginal designs when commissioned (1923?) and had many handling issues, not to mention fuel consumption, though in US Navy service not as much of a concern. Some escort duty in WWII, though mostly intended as a rum runner in the 30's, she eventually fulfilled her role as Coast Guard cutter and research vessel. These were sold Guatemala, in 1976, but later seized by the USCG for drug smuggling.

    Not a lot of value, if found floating today. The plating would need some serious repair, at the very least and this still doesn't address the short comings of this antique design.
     
  7. chinaseapirate

    chinaseapirate Previous Member

    PAR you are flat out wrong on this. Why do you disagree with the OP?
     
  8. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Could you please point out where you think PAR is wrong here, and what you think the correct info there should be . . ?
     
  9. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    It's a powerboat, so not astray at all here. - Welcome to the forum . . :)
     
  10. BlueBell
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    BlueBell Ahhhhh...

    My grandfather had a Fairmile he bought after WW2 for $3000.
    They were very similar boats at 112', 18' beam, gasoline for performance.
    His was used as a reconnaissance boat while other were fitted out for shore patrols, submarine hunting or as torpedo boats.
    80 were built in Canada, only two remain on the west coast of Canada.
    His was number 088, and became known as "The 88", it cost $250k to build and sadly sank ( for the second time ) in the late 70's in Lake Ontario, Canada.
    He and my Dad, his only child, cruised the Georgian Bay on it for seven years before selling it to a local tour company.

    For the record, I believe PAR's information is correct.
     
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  11. PAR
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    This is the General Greene.

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    This is the Morris (WPC147) . . .
     
  12. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    About the Morris: Apr 16, 2015

    ‘‘ She retained her original stack until recently when she received this modernized pair. Although the photo shows her in good condition, she is no longer being used, and some graffiti is evident. Her interior has also been vandalized. She is now being offered for sale to the pubic. ’’

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    The first post #1 picture is the WSC-137 Ewing

    ‘‘ Later Pacific Hunter for Decorative Surfacing Centers, Inc. Currently moored at Ballard CA and listed for sale. ’’

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    (note the sales sign at her forward starboard rail)

    Take note the linked web page was last revised on July 23 in 2009, if she's for sale then this is since a long time by now, or she's for sale again with an old photo, so she could be in a worse condition than pictured here.
     
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  13. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    This one is getting into her third life, built in 1946 as a Fishing Trawler, in 1985 converted into an Off Shore Service Vessel, and now offered as an Expedition Vessel / Motor Yacht / live aboard...

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  14. chinaseapirate

    chinaseapirate Previous Member

    Sure, this info is incorrect- "They carried a crew of 20, were 125' LOD, about 24' beam, drew about 8' and displaced about 230 tons. Two 850 HP eight cylinder diesels, pushed this puppy to about 12 - 13 knots on a good day, with a cruise of about 8 knots."

    It shows the performance of WC-140 after the engine swaps was made. This the what wiki has to say - which matches what the OP posted, who may own the "Pacific Hunter" for all I know-. I would trust the wiki info matching the OP's description when/if extrapolating figures instead of the misinformation supporting PAR's conclusion of poor performance compared to a modern design. Cruising with the twin 300hsp engines at 10 knots and 2GPH fuel burn is BETTER PERFORMANCE than 99% of modern designs. Flat out TRUE. Unless one wants to believe it made the 19 kn with the decommisioned engine there is no other way to read the wiki info.

    2 × 8-cylinder, 268A General Motors 850 hp late 50's to decommision300 hp (224 kW) engines
    Speed:
    • 1945
    • Maximum: 13 knots (24 km/h; 15 mph)
    • Cruise: 8 kn (15 km/h; 9.2 mph) 8-268A Max speed 19kn cruise 12.5kn
    Range:
    • 3,500 nmi (6,500 km; 4,000 mi)
    • At max. speed: 2,500 nmi (4,600 km; 2,900 mi)
     

  15. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    That's clear by now . . ;)
    Please show these calculations to substantiate your claims here . . :)
     
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