A junk in the making? Can I make a 65ft circumnavigate vessel?

"Questions: When you say Nissan RE8's power is 280HP, What power are you talking about? DIN or SAE? (This is: with or without engine's appliances?). There can be a significative difference between those two (10% or even more!). For propulsion you need to know the net HP at the engine's shaft, so deducting from SAE power (if it's the case) all its 'hardware' (alternator, pumps, etc) power deductions. So it's more useful to use rated DIN power instead of SAE. Also: Intermittent or Continuous power? You need to know continuous. A rule of thumb is to take continuous as 85% of intermittent, so if they are 280 HP intermittent, what you really have for cruising is rather something like 240 HP

Make yourself sure about this. I always talk DIN power, continuous rating"

As a light weight truck takeout even 50% of the "claimed" power is quite optomistic.

Looking at what I can find on this engine , I would not prop it for more than 85 to 100hp and expect any usefull service life./

A REAL medium duty engine , Cat, Cummins, M/B J. Deere would be a better choice fore what is basically a motorboat with sails.

G. Perhaps you could work out the power required to power at 8K (LRC) and sugest a useable MARINE engine with a 24/7 power rating of about 30-50% higher.

FAST FRED

 

Bruce sort off dont answer anymore. I bought the plan from him, he answer after that he accused me of buying from the other bruce which I had not communicate at all, Order no.5595. I got books and CD sign by him but he acused me of buying from pirated stuff ????? Lucky I bought from my Credit Card so I can prove my purchase.I got all the email stored and keep just in case the guy keep slandering me. He told me to get lost........! He made a big mistake, I havent bought the full plan, I can now have an alternative of buying from the Australian counterpart, if he dont want to help me..... same plan anyway. He lose reputation, money, another plan sold by his competition and his premature heart attack.

You should try google and find on Bruce Robert. There are two website. Bruce Roberts look like in the end of their internet career with rubbish like 2 website killing each other and acussing me of buying illegal stuff? I bought it from him........ his a bit old you know. Maybe next time I will buy off from Gilly

Below are some proof of my purchases................


These stuff is not from Australia but from HOLLAND........




http://www.bruceroberts.com/

http://www.bruceroberts.com.au/

Now I still waiting for the design centre to reply....... the General Manager is a good guy but the designer are like kids............. to me.

 

Maybe I should over power myself with this engine...... using heavy diesel....... maid-in-China..... Very good, big, strong engine and its weight big time.

 

Listen to FAST FRED...do as he suggests.

 

Since, the truth is I have no more news on Bruce office so I am now designing my interior ,furniture and shopping for the vessel required equipment. What can I do? N.A. just flipped himself.......... rare case........ my first case and last I hope. Any recommendation for new designer and plan?

Here some musical junk I have found or digged up....... Bought Zebra stainless steel pot and pans....... Hitachi excellent cooking stand(US$100) and a Hitachi fridge cost (US$450).

When I am upset, I shopped like there is no tommorrow......

 

I tried and have met with the cumming and CAT guys......... still looking for second hand engine with much value................... Gilly serious any designer for plan? PM please?


CAT US$ $49,000 Cumm US$40,650

 

Welly -

Looks like an old Tascam board ... 28 x 4 x 2? Are you going to provide live music or have a studio on board?

 

It is a german Bearinger with 32 channel mixer...... for the whole ship acoustic enjoyment....... DVD, VCD, Video, Radio, EXT speaker, INT speaker, IPOD, ........... 32 channel is a lot of gear possibility.

3 power amp

1 bearinger surround

1 bearinger echo control

32 channel bearinger mixer

2 DVD player ( original Phillip and chinese made)

1 Sony big music COMPO

2 notebook for central control.

All communication: 2 meter band and all band

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-I get free ligna rattan chair and table for free !!!
-A hot water electric boiler
-a few tools and part for the boat and equipments.
-electric marine connectors
-20 meter marine cable 1 1/2 inc and looking for more.





I found one Mitshubishi 190 ps engine for modify into generator.........

 

For most motorboats , engines are like batterys , they need replacement after a while.

On our work boats the engine is under a hatch , and can be R&R in a day , in any yard with a suitable crane.

You might consider installing a used engine , with the plan on replacing it when you find a "deal" on a better quality engine.

Simply attempt to figure which marine Cat , Mann or Deere would be suitable and build the basic engine mounts for that engine. Then create a mount table to hold what ever you can get running where you are. A boat that sails well would probably never bother to swop out , but at least you build in the option.

Designers sell STOCK plans cheap , as the volume makes up for the low cost.
No designer of stock boats is willing to redesign a boat , select hypothetical "best" equippment , or carry on daily correspondance with any stock plans purchser.
TIME is money , and the pittance for stock plans does not leave much time to write a book for every owner, on a weekly basis.

Build the hull, install the working bulkheads , then worry about which tea kettle will fit in the locker, and buy it THEN!

As to chartering , at least here in the US it requires a vessel specially built , and the operator needs a license , sea time , tests ect.

Every area you go to you will be stepping on an existing vessels area of operation, so EXPECT hassles from the local law folks .

Do a google on charters , here in the US (Florida) a fine 50ft boat can be had for $2000 a WEEK.
How do you plan on finding and selling $1000 a day charters in the 3rd world?

Our charter boats usually require an advertising budget $25,000 to $75,000 to keep full for a season, depending weather their day boats (higher add budget ) or overnighter , fewer folks , easier to fill.Some advertising requires MONTHS of lead time.

FAST FRED

 

Yup, overhaul,................ always worry about that part, japaness stuff is so so much cheaper.

Yup, you are right again. I did consider that and was finding the best engine positioning.......

How you know everything I have plan? You are a PSI.......

Now that I havent thought of, making hole on the bed for various engine, just in case one of the engine could fit. Thanks

Well he have 4 offices with lots of junior designer sitting on couch filing their nails................ Main thing was he said Trader 65 could be a 100/100 but I know that is impossible........ the forum have a thread on it.

You make me sad........ I am still looking for similar design form other designer or buy from Bruce Roberts International...... the rival.I know Bruce's resale value is low but in Indonesia, you can sell almost anything with a good price, too many people dont understand boat.

The building of the vessel is supervise by Sid Nixon, the shipwright loftsman. Here license can be acquire with the dept will check.

The paperwork will be neat and folded and iron out the grim.

a Third of the world crazy and nice boat are in America........ many competition bring price down.......... Everything in Indonesia is expensive, law of scacity does apply.

Just use the newspaper......... The boat stay in Balikpapan and wait for charter...... if you return it gonna bring her back to this port.

Maintaince is not hard as I have a docking facilities and park her at my own place........

The ship will be magic as the interior and option will entice people.......... can be instantly transform from diving utilites, Party-on-board, romantic cruise, gambling casino?..... Intrnational water, just poker guys weekend stuff. and etc........................


I am glad you like to give conflict comment as it is contructive in disgues...


Wellydeckhand

P.S. know any designer have similar design? I may buy plan from them...... the Bruce is not that streamlined.

 

Similar design from Dudley Dix

Dudley Dix has a somewhat similar design, Liberte 65
http://www.dixdesign.com/liberte65.htm


Also have a look at Cargo 50 and Dix 64
About 2/3 down under Steel Monohull Sailboats.

 

The best way to get a boat that fits your desires , is to MAKE A LIST.

Put everything in order with a eye to "must have" v/s need to have.

After creating the list put a PRICE besides every choice, of what its worth to you.

Then do some addition , check your billfold , and see how close you are.

Post it!, NO DOUBT there will be sugestions , opinions and comments (about most of your choices!)

Perhaps educational , ceretainly fun!

FAST FRED

 

Thanks seaspark, Thanks FastFred, I have just send email to the rival of Bruce Roberts-Goodson.......... hoping Bruce Roberts-International could sell the plan to me instead. If this all failed then an alternative plan would be consider.

It is so heart breaking with a dream broken because of misunderstanding.....

Edit: Give me time to read the Dix design, I did learn a bit on construction on his website before........ nice bloke
I have send him an email and see how he answer...... DIX65 with hull/deck plan option at great discount.

 

This is a design by : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jean-pierre.brouns/bateauxcom.htm

His design is quite good but French.......... maybe he can do the 65 drawing with a junk hull?

 

I think I lost a post over here, well I will repost the picture of the newest rendering of Trader 65 variant. I already commisioned the drawing so might as well post it for viewing. Hope get some comment for the diamension.

WDH

P.S. Here without the sail and railing.....