A Head Turner From PAR

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  1. troy2000
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    Thanks for the input, razorinc. And I may go the direction you're outlining, because my wife thinks a shower is important and this boat has limited space.

    But if possible, I'd like to separate the shower and toilet -- even if only by a shower curtain. Otherwise I have to stick the toilet paper holders and towel racks outside the head.... and waltzing into the head loses a lot of its appeal when the floor (and everything else) is wet.

    By the way, one of the best things Paul has done for my purposes was to include an alternative floor plan. It sucked my wife right past whether I should be building the boat to begin with, and into arguing about which particular layout would work the best.:D
     
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    You mount the TP holder on the back of the door where it is covered by the shower curtain.
     
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    PV= photo voltaic = solar panel

    As for visualising the drawings, as told before, CAD is great (Cardboard Aided Design). Use whatever you have to create a quick mockup, and any adjustments can be done before expensive materials are touched.
     
  4. troy2000
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    'Cardboard-aided design?' I like that....:D
     
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    I'd rather have the shower facing the toilet with a shower curtain in between. But I'll have to see if I can reasonably squeeze that in without eating up too much space. I don't want my cabin to become a head with attached bed and galley....
     
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    One more thought I have and put in a trailer with a small rear deck. Move the toilet forward and put the door opening onto the rear deck. Really opens up the inside and makes sound proofing easy.
     
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    Very clever, and I'd probably do it if I were single. But my wife wouldn't buy it. She'll want to come and go from the shower without putting on a robe and detouring outside...
     
  8. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Hey Troy, what's the problem . . . . Why an inside toilet . . . :D

    debinnenvaart.nl/binnenvaarttaal/afbeeldingen/onderdelen/huishouden/495pot4.jpg

    These were innovative people, here's an outboard sink to do the dishes and wash yourself . . . :idea:

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    Cheers,
    Angel
     
  9. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Troy, your boat seems to be too big for a proper solution, on a smaller boat you don't have these head & shower place problems, there the head is multifunctional* and doesn't take up much room when not in use . . ;)

    * you can even soak your teeth in it overnight, but make sure nobody uses it then . . :p

    Cheers,
    Angel

    P.S. - Fanie made a list how multifunctional a bucket is . . . :eek:

     
  10. PAR
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    Separating the shower, will prove a difficult "footprint" problem to over come. I don't think the boat is big enough to do this well, but there are options. Wet towels and paper can be solved with a drawer or locker, with a tight door. The head can be put on a track or slide under a cabinet on the other side of the bulkhead. There's no need for a sink, as the galley sink is 3 or 4 steps outside the door, though a fold up wash sink can rigged to offer more interior volume.

    You can stuff in all sorts of innovations and clever space utilization tricks. Some time spent at RV and boat shows can help wake the dormant designer in this regard.
     
  11. Tug
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    Troy
    What method of hull construction will you be using?
    Cheers
    Tug
     
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    Tug, the hull will be framed using 1x4's -- and the way Paul has designed the frames at each station (gussets, epoxy and screws galore), I'd say they're modular enough to qualify as truss framing. The bottom will have two layers of 1/2" ply; the sides and deck will get one layer. It's going to be a stout hull, for being a fairly light wooden one. Anyone who tries a game of chicken with me will probably regret it, win or lose.

    The cabin and pilot house will be framed with 1x2's, and skinned inside and out with 1/4" ply (including lots of bead board for looks...:)). The voids will be filled with 1 1/2" foam board. Akin to the construction used for travel trailers.... light and strong.

    Everything will at least be encapsulated in epoxy, and I've considered sheathing the hull using Xynole cloth and epoxy.
     
  13. troy2000
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    OK. Let's see if these drawings uploaded....

    Well, the preview says they did. I guess we'll find out when I hit <Submit Reply>.

    They aren't precision drawings; I was just looking at some ideas on the layout of Egress. For example, the one labeled Floor Plan is laid out on the bottom of the boat, with no regard for the flare of the hull. The other drawing is a very roughly-done section looking forward, at the junction of the main cabin and the pilot house.

    I basically kept Paul's original suggested layout, with a few modifications. Among other things, my wife has proclaimed that a shower is mandatory unless I intend to leave her home. Which is probably what'll happen most of the time anyway, because she's a hardcore homebody. But I'm certainly not stupid enough to say so out loud. :p

    After I finished beating myself to death trying to find space for a head big enough to include a shower, my nephew Justin reminded me there's no law that requires a toilet and shower to be in the same room. doh... I knew that; my motor home has the bathtub/ shower combo across the hall from the stall for the toilet and wash basin. :eek:

    So I replaced Paul's hanging locker with a shower. I've lived in my motor home while at work for years now. It has a good-sized closet, that goes almost completely unused. There are a couple of coats I seldom wear hanging up alongside a fisherman's vest that doesn't fit me any more, and some unused boots and miscellaneous junk cluttering the bottom. I hardly ever open it, unless I need to get to the circuit-breaker panel on the back wall. I see no reason to suppose I'll suddenly get closet fever and start hanging everything up when I hit the water.

    I also switched the toilet to the other end of the head and moved the door, which originally opened into a dead space between the head and the galley. Instead I'll use that space for a small wood-burning marine stove, such as a Sardine. Although the days aren't usually bad, winter nights on the desert lakes can be cold as a well digger's bottom. Once I'm asleep under the covers, I don't care. But it's nice to have a banked fire keeping things toasty when I get undressed at night, and to be able to open the stove up and feed it to take the chill off while I'm making morning coffee.

    I also drew a tiny wash basin in the toilet stall, but that'll probably disappear.

    Up forward I eliminated the passenger's loveseat in the pilot house, in favor of another captain's chair across from the helmsman's station. Behind the chairs I added two storage units 24" deep and 30" high, with open space above them. I'll probably hang short drapes, for closing off the pilot house from the cabin when people are sleeping underway or want privacy.

    I haven't worked out any details yet, but the galley-side unit will probably face aft to function as kitchen cabinets. On the other side, I may split the storage: shelving for books and miscellaneous facing forward for the helmsman, and racks facing aft that resemble the rolled-towel racks in some hotels. That way I can just roll up the bedding in the mornings and stash it, without having to hide it away somewhere inconvenient (like under the settee).

    None of this is written in stone. I reserve the right to change my mind, as often as a bride picking out shoes for her march down the aisle.

    edit: I'm not all that happy with the way the drawings are coming up, as pdf files that need to be clicked on and re-sized. Maybe I can run them through Photobucket, instead.

    ...I give up for the night. Photobucket uploads both drawings about 37%, then drops back to 31% and starts over -- repeatedly. Tomorrow I'll see if saving the drawings as something besides pdf helps.
     

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  14. PAR
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    Station 5 needs to be a bulkhead or ring frame Troy. You could extend the framing up the walls and tie into a hefty header, but this will eat up more space than a ring frame.
     

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    Troy, what I really don't get is why are you discussing these things now, and have not discussed them before or in private with PAR? I believe someone who doesn't know what's going on could get an idea that PAR has designed a boat not in line with your expectations, which is imho unfair.

    A design is based on client's whish-list (or, more technically, a SOR), so if your wife is so determined about a sufficiently big shower, it imho should have been discussed with the designer right in the preliminary stage of the establishing the GA plan.

    But that's just my opinion.

    Cheers
     
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