A cape Horn vessel

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  1. MikeJohns
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    MikeJohns Senior Member

    It's never that simple. Oh that it were !

    Have a look at the diagram below and you quickly see that the speed capability had little to do in the 1998 Sydney Hobart race as to whether the vessel was rolled or not.

    Organisations that set safety standards for vessels are well aware of the statistics and set their levels accordingly. Looking at that diagram and the UK's unlimited offshore was close to the mark.

    The C32 on that chart was not rolled , it is often included as a benchmark, contessa 32 a notably seaworthy boat.

    Then there's motion comfort and all it's attendant ills......

    Then there's all the other indicators that relate to safety that haven't really been touched on here like roll pitch heave couples, mass roll gyradius, hull damping coefficients and so on.

    Have you read Marchaj's Seaworthiness ?
     

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  2. SViau
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    SViau Naval engineer / Designer

    I did not read it yet, but I think I will have a look very soon !
    I fully agree with you that speed is not making all the job for safety, but it can help not being in trouble. Once you're in, stability will save your skin for sure.
     
  3. dskira

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    I am straight and honnest. With honney you put things far more agressive than me.
    Read attentively your post.
    As for the car, that was stupid.
    You like it or not, its not my problem.
    I don't deliver with pink packaging.
    Daniel
     
  4. SViau
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    SViau Naval engineer / Designer

    I'm also straight and honnest, but I was not attacking you. I would understand Evantica could feel offended by my comments, but you ???
    Or maybe you're the architect behind the project and you don't like criticism.

    Anyhow, it will be my last post on the subject. My aim is not to create a debate on the topic, but only raising a small signal saying "hey - you've only one life - take care of it". You're big guys - you will do what you want and everybody will be happy.
     
  5. dskira

    dskira Previous Member

    Please read my first post about the boat, and you will see how far from the truth you are.
    Just read, and then comment.
    Daniel
     
  6. simon
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    simon Senior Member

    What is a Cape Horn vessel? You can reach Cape Horn nearly day-sailing, once you reached the American Continent.

    Simon
     
  7. gonzo
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    gonzo Senior Member

    This model is heavy, will maneuver and handle poorly and will be slow. Somehow, many people believe that makes it a "blue water boat"
     
  8. Manie B
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    Manie B Senior Member

    Gonzo is 100% correct
    Alessandro has just gone around in a light mini
    http://www.alessandrodibenedetto.net/
    comfort in a small boat is a very relative idea - it actually is never comfortable
    either you love it, or you hate it.
     
  9. evantica
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    evantica Senior Member

    Some more friends:)
     

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  10. evantica
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    evantica Senior Member

    Gonzo my man.he...he
    "many people believe that makes it a blue water boat"
    = almost each and everyone how's sailing in bluewater for pleasure!
     
  11. evantica
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    evantica Senior Member

    Simon. if you've read the tread then you know!
     
  12. simon
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    simon Senior Member

    If you do not like bad weather, you will need a solid deckhouse for watches, you will spend a lot of time in the Patagonian channels, where rain, strong winds are normal. This is for the weak, as the approach to the Horn will be coast hugging. You will be swearing in the Pacific, the rolling and pitching will make your trip horrible.

    If you design a boat specifically do go around the Horn, well then do it the right way. Sail from another continent to and around the Horn and continue along. Anything else is cheating.

    Simon
     
  13. evantica
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    evantica Senior Member

    ok. And thanks Simon!
     
  14. evantica
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    evantica Senior Member

    There's one more aspects to take consider off. And this is for "you" how dosn't like the heavy displc. boats with ol' caracteristic look. And I've been thinking of this for quite a while, maybe I'm right/ wrong?!

    "Our" boats is a passion and we'll live with them for a longtime, maybe a whole life?! It's kind of like beeing in "love" (right word?) I am surley a romantic figure how's being nostalgic when reading, seeing those old C. Archers, and clippers, barks sailing in strongwinds. fighting trough the seas, and the men aboard probably fealth very alive.
    I also think, there is not many things as pretty as an ol' wooden cutter or even new ones with ol' time looks...
    And what will all this mean then?? = WE HAVE ALL DIFFERENT PARAMETERS, What fells right for you may be the opposite for me. this is -probably- one of the reason for all this arguing and hostal talk. The boat will/ should be an extension of your self (I think) so.........
    "Colin Archer is a good ship and those lightweight crapboats is for *******" :)D ) sarcasm:D
     

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  15. apex1

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    Well,

    the boat you have shown IS NOT A COLIN ARCHER! And it is a pretty small one to go on such a passage. Although that was done several times (and failed as often I suppose), it is far away from being fun! Be aware of that.
    And the C.A. boats have been really good ones (amongst others) in their days, but since then some weeks passed, right?

    You are right to assume that the guys going round the rock on square riggers felt very much alive (when they were lucky), too much for most of them, far too much.............

    Regards
    Richard
     
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