57 ft commercial fishing boat

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by Pacificchalleng, Jul 1, 2012.

  1. Pacificchalleng
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    Pacificchalleng Junior Member

    High I'm new here and and i have been looking into finding some plans for a 57 ft boat or maybe a little larger that I can take a frame out to make it 57 ft I'm a commercial fisherman here in organ and I have permits that only allow me to go to 57ft I like the boat that Fred wahl marine builds that are 58x26 but he wants way to much to either have one bult by him or have him cut one out as a kit so I am hoping to find some plans that are similar to his design
     
  2. Ad Hoc
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    Ad Hoc Naval Architect

    Why do you think such plans are free?

    Everything costs something.

    If you're not prepared to pay for proper plans and approved by a naval architect and approved by the local authorities, why should any one pay for the fish you catch?

    No such thing as a free lunch I'm afraid, not matter what you would like.
     
  3. Mr Efficiency
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    He didn't say he wanted free plans, just plans.
     
  4. Ad Hoc
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    Agreed.
    However, like most things, if you can't get what you want at price 'A' from a NA you find another NA that can give you what you want at your budget. No rocket science there. Perhaps my mistake is assuming he has already tried this and found the prices to be 'similar or the compromises required to fit the budget, i.e. limited number of dwgs/data, are not suitable.

    A simple search in the yellow pages, or web for NA's who design commercial fishing boats would be far more fruitful.

    Otherwise stating the budget for this venture would help considerably..but I suspect that's where the problem has come from, limited at best. But may be he'll prove me wrong, as I'm just a cynic at best :p
     
  5. Pacificchalleng
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    I am in no way thinking I'm getting free plans I know and don't get me wrong my dad build his a few years ago and things are gonna be more now than when my dad built his but my dad had designed and built a 68 ft boat so I know the cost of that witch was just under a million and i would have the same guy design me a boat that designed my dads but he passed away and I have another friend that is in the process of having a 70ft Jensen design crabber built so I know what his cost are I would use the Jensen design it's a good looking boat witch is very important to me but I have another friend witch has a 64 ft jensen design that he rolled over its a long story but believe me the conditions of it rolling over was not from bad weather or anything like that there are just some faults in the design of the boat so it's without saying I'm kinda of scared of there boats I would be more than happy to have a Fred wahl boat and if he would sell me the designs for his I would go for it but he won't and that is where the real cost difference shows up Fred wants $1.9 per pound of steel to cut one out as a kit boat and he want 2.9 mill for a turn key boat my friend that I mentioned before is having his 70ft Jensen cut out for right at $.8 a pound of steel so that's my problem is I don't like the Jensen but because he is having his cut out for.8 per pound I can't justify paying 1.9 per pound I don't really want to put out a budget number but I will tell you I totally understand nothing is gonna be given to me and I've been around boat building and people building boats around me and am well aware of cost from start to finish
     
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    Ah ok..I understand you now. Sorry, I have painted you with the same brush of many typical poster, my apologies. (far too many wanting something for free??)

    Well, perhaps you should contact TAD a forum member here. He is in your neck of the woods, and may be able to assist. I don't know the labour rates nor steel rates from yards as a rule in the US, but I'm sure TAD would and if he can't help, he may know someone who might be able too. Since I'm not 100% sure that he does commercial fishing boats:
    http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/profile/tad.html

    BUT, it may come to the point of having to shell out for a proven trustworthy design compared to a cheaper, but unreliable, from anecdotal evidence you've noted. Safety must always come first.
     
  7. Pacificchalleng
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    Yes I here ya safety is definitely number one that is actually y I'm in the marke for a boat right now because a little over a month ago my boat rolled over while we were trying to cross the bar we took about a 12 ft brake the boat broached and over we went and don't get me wrong even before that I was all about safety and that is y even though I've found a few ok looking boat plans there are aspects of them that because of those aspects I deside not to go forward with them because I know of things happening in the past because of certain design carecteristcs witch I see in the plans available and also the labor rates around here are what will kill a guy the ship yard pays a welder 20 a hour and charges you 70 and 70 a hour kills you by the time a boat is done me and my dad roughly figured out the cost of one of those Fred wahl boats and we figured you could build one your self for around a mill to a million two and he want 2.9 mill that sure explains y he just had a huge vacation home built in Florida if you know what I mean. Thanks you for the help
     
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    Sounds like crossing that bar could put the insurance premiums into the stratosphere !
     
  9. Ad Hoc
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    I think perhaps, if you're very safety conscious, the best thing for you to do would be to find a qualified NA, one that is in this field/sector preferably and ask them to give their opinions on several designs (of your choice, or even theirs) and what are the pro's and con's of each, i.e. a stability review. It'll cost you now, but could well end up saving your life later. You may find buying the cheaper design, but with a small mod to offset the "design feature" that causes concern, to be the way to go..who knows?

    There is usually a reason why these things occur - often a stupid one made by the builder unaware of the implications of the "simple" change, or a simple modification made by the owner and not paying due attention to stability- thus forewarned is forearmed!
     
  10. Pacificchalleng
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    Ya I here on the design change on a boat I found one from a designer on the east coast and I like the hole boat besides it has 6 fish hold two rose of holds front to back and I know of a couple boats rolling over and sinking because of that your way better off to just have two or three holds one in front of the next and if they would change that I feel it would be a good boat
     
  11. sean9c
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    I think Delta Marine is building commercial boats again.
     

  12. Pacificchalleng
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    Ya delta is offering there big 58ftr again witch is a awesome boat I've been around a few of them in sand point alaska and king cove Alaska the only reason I'm not really looking at them is I'm a very good metal fabricator and not that I couldn't lurne how to work with fiber glass I am just very comfortable with my ability to fix a metal boat if something were to break at sea or just regular maintenance I can do very well with a metal boat fiber glass at this point in my life not so much but the fact that regular maintenance is so little with a plastic boat that is a definit plus no doubt
     
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