35th Americas Cup: Foiling Multihulls!

Acws

Corely,maybe I missed it but there was no info in that video about when?

 

It's not officially confirmed yet (ACWS for Gold Coast) but it sounds like it will happen. So consider it a strong rumor

 

35th America's Cup on Foils! ----Australia

More on Corley's Gold Coast of Australia story: http://www.oceanmagazine.com.au/j/i...ail&utm_term=0_e0d7568ef7-46ee5c2b02-98772465

 

In your (and Tom Tate's) dreams.

You might note that under Iain's finger is a sandbank, one of several delimiting a narrow and shallow channel. There isn't enough room for a Moth course, I doubt that anyone with an ounce of common sense would try to sail an AC45 on the Broadwater at all, much less attempt a match race.

This was announced one day before the Council elections and was simply a courtesy visit to recognise the possible bid. There's some local coverage here:

Gold Coast frontrunner to host America’s Cup event in 2017

Yeah, right.

 

The call for sailors to support the Cup was interesting considering that supporters of the Cup so often refer to that sort of sailing as "THE future" of the sport. If this sort of sailing is THE future, then it means it is the ONLY future, and that the popular boats like Beneteaus, Lasers, Herons, Hobie 16s etc are not going to be part of the sport we love in years to come.

Why would most people who love the sport as they know it support a side of the sport that claims that it will kill the sort of sailing they know and love? And if the current style of AC sailing is so good for the sport, why is the number of competitors in Australian sailing apparently dropping faster in the last two years than ever before in history?

And yes, this IS relevant to the thread, because those promoting this event are specifically calling for support from the sailing community. If people want support they should not do it by deriding and attacking the sailing that most sailors love.

It's interesting to see a V8 Supercar racer involved. Car racing is heavily supported by one of the world's biggest industries. Most adults can drive. And yet car racing is about 35th most popular participant sport in most western countries. It is vastly less popular than sports like cycling, running and swimming, which have very little sponsorship, promotion and support. Motor racing seems to be clearly just about the WORST sport of all, in terms of turning spectators, sponsors and money into actual participants. Therefore its model is a terrible one to follow and we should shy away from those who are used to it.

 

35th America's Cup on Foils---Gold Coast

CT, you're way off base: as best I can tell neither one of the articles quoted a single person as referring to ANYTHING as "The Future"!!! You seem to deride any enthusiasm shown by anybody at anytime for foiling or the America's Cup on Foils. Give it a rest.
Are you just trying to pick a fight? This is the America's Cup thread and having an ACWS event on the Gold Coast seems like a good thing. But whether it's "The Future" or not is a few weeks from being decided.

 

CT - If people say something is "the future" as opposed to "the only future", perhaps that's because they don't intend to say "the only future" but merely mean that it is "the future" of the top end of sailing, taking over from other expensive things that used to dominate at the top end without foiling (and which will now disappear because they only ever existed to be the top end: I'm guessing you won't miss them because you'll have attacked them just as strongly in the past). It is not a carefully crafted wording designed to stand up to nit-picking, but just the standard wording used by people in every field of human endeavour to express the idea that it's cutting edge stuff, replacing the old cutting edge stuff. There is absolutely no intention there to suggest that everything that came before should be wiped out, and if you ask the guys racing on these platforms, I'm sure they'll confirm that they're keen to see the diversity of sailing maintained.

Your real complaint is that you think the high-end stuff is killing interest in low-end sailing and that fewer people are getting involved in the sport as a result, but that's a wierd outlook, a bit like saying that seeing the International Space Station going over puts people off the idea of flying because it renders it too boring by comparison.

 

David, it's not just what people are saying, but the fact that their behaviour and words both follow the same thinking.

Saying that sailing will be hurt by excessive concentration on an inaccessible discipline is not a weird complaint. It's been noted as a problem since the 1880s. It's something that is very well borne out in analysis of, for example, the writings of Vladimir Andreffj (professor of sports economics at the Sorbonne), the surveys of the Sweeney Institute, the major report commissioned for Yachting Australia on the public perception of sailing, and by comparison with other research on the impact of "high end" sports events on participation rates. The evidence for the claim is vastly stronger than against it.

It's similar to the fact that staging an Olympics, for example, has been pretty much proven NOT to increase participation, as demonstrated by the tracking of participant numbers after the London and Sydney Games. This area has received an enormous amount of study, and it's now pretty much accepted that watching high-end sport like the Olympics (and arguably even more the AC) does not increase the number of participants and may in fact reduce it.

I did not attack many other "top end" areas of the sport. I have attacked the claim that promoting inaccessible "top end" sectors of the sport (even ones in which I love and in which I have competed successfully) will help the sport, because the facts show that promoting inaccessible models of the sport can hurt participation. There's also no reason for me to attack foiling or cats per se; because of my background if foiling or foiling cats took over it would suit me quite well from a competitive angle.

Doug, if Yachting Australia are getting involved then surely those of us who are members of YA, and on the committee of their associations, have the right to speak. And if people claim that this is affecting the future of the sport then surely all sailors have the right to speak.

 

No one-certainly not me-implied or said that you don't have the right to speak.
I suggested that you give the constant derision of the foiling AC and of foiling a rest. But you can do exactly what you want to do-and you will.

 

35th America's Cup on Foils---Oracle

Oracle training: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okxXGJ1GYxA

 

35th America's Cup on Foils---Oracle + Artemis

Starboard!!
Artemis Racing, closing in at speed from the left, is on starboard and has rights, so the original call was for ORACLE TEAM USA to heat up - to turn to port (left) - and pass behind Artemis Racing.
But then, the Swedish boat came off the foils, nearly stopping. In a split second, and having had the wheel in his hands all of about five seconds, Campbell had to make the call to turn to starboard (right) instead, bringing his boat off the foils in a spectacular splashdown.
Tom Slingsby, the regular helmsman, had just run across the boat and had his hands on the wheel as well. By the time both boats had come to a near stop in the water, just a yard or two apart, Slingsby was on the wheel, and Campbell was on his feet, heading the wing to push it to leeward by hand to help get the boat moving again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5f9tvY7RP0

 

35th America's Cup on Foils---Oracle-bump on foil leading edge

Check this video out at 33 sec in-there is a bump on the leading edge of the foil-why!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5sFV3Buh10

 

35th America's Cup on Foils! UK April 1st, 2016

According to todays(last nights) Scuttlebutt, the British America's Cup campaign is close to collapse: http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2...Americas Cup Land Rover BAR Close to Collapse

 

35th America's Cup on Foils---Oracle--wing trim

Legal "pumping" 23-29 in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeyJ9kuif7I

 

35th America's Cup on Foils! Team Japan

Man Overboard! from Scuttlebutt tonight: http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2...2f726da9add1ff886&utm_source=Email Newsletter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKxHEbPOz0Q