21k 30ft Cat, CSC30

Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by charlesakeem, Jul 5, 2011.

  1. Richard Woods
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    Richard Woods Woods Designs

    I was sorry to learn that you were not able to use my Shopping Cart. Not sure what the problem was, a couple of people ordered study plans overnight so I know it has been working in the last 24 hours.

    The start date is needed if you pay with a debit card rather than a credit card. But some banks, especially those in the USA, do not allow foreign transactions (my company is British). However I do have a US account and can take Paypal if you want to use that

    I see you ordered study plans for a 24ft trailable catamaran. Something more like my Strider, Merlin, Shadow, Wizard, Sango rather than a Gypsy

    Maybe it would help the discussion of you were to say what you wanted to use the boat for?

    Richard Woods of Woods Designs

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  2. DarthCluin
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    Over the last few years, Ray Kendrick's plans ranged in price from several hundred to over a thousand dollars. The Fish and Chips plans are 33 sheets. Printing costs $2 (prices may vary) a sheet and shipping costs on a large plan set is not pretty, especially from Australia. Paper is heavy.
    Starting this year, Ray changed to electronic delivery. No printing costs, and no shipping costs. One price for PDF's, and extra for DXF cutting files.
    The same storefront that took the paper plan orders can email PDF's and DXF's. The designer doesn't have to take an armload of drawings to the print shop, roll the prints up in mailing tubes, and stand in line at the post office. If all of your designs are in CAD, and I believe Ray's are, you don't even have to send your drawings out to be scanned. AutoCAD exports to PDF, though I prefer to use it with PDF 995, which will work with any program that prints. Lower costs and less labor results in lower prices, and more time for the designer to do what he wants.

    Standing headroom is rare in small multihulls. Richard Woods' Wizard and Sango have cuddys with a drop down floor that provides 6'-1" headroom at anchor, and his Gypsy has 6'-1" headroom in the hulls as well as the cuddy.

    When you are comparing designs, assuming the same construction, a thousand pounds of boat is going to cost the same in terms of materials no matter how long it is. The fly in the ointment is labor. Complex shapes take longer to build than simple shapes.
     
  3. ThomD
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    Ray's plans also included full size patterns in some cases for every part. This is obviously a big assist in building, but given that most parts are easily drawn there are some who would prefer to do that drawing themselves. Full circular forms may benefit from being drawn out full size, but simple variations on boxes and triangles may well come out nearly as quickly from offsets (and scaled files, you get dimensioned pictures of every part).

    Given the fact that not all plans get built I would personally prefer to get the maximum price reduction and move on from there. I bought the plans for the 18, and thought they were worth 750, but was waiting for the usual offset with the C$ to come about. Lucky for me he dropped the price to 150, at which point they are a no-brainer, it's a lovely shaped boat, more mature than earlier versions. For instance I like to place people, or hike out on the ama decks, or work the anchor, whatever, the flat topped decks are a better, simpler to build design.

    Ray's CAD is very competently done, not everyone who does CAD gets the drawings right, and they will not allow parts to be built from the drawings, or dimensions to be directly estimated. But these ones are nice.

    Ray also said that he was planing on cruising, and as a result could better manage a purely electronic business. given what Farrier does with his plans and designs, Ray could always kick in the old price structure at a later date. It was perfectly fair, just different. So buy them while you can.
     
  4. Guillaume C.
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  5. jamez
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    That Lavranos is a nice looking boat, but probably twice the structure bigger rig etc. Won't be a 30k wonder I wouldn't think.
     
  6. Guillaume C.
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    Guillaume C. Junior Member

    No definitively not a 30k complete wonder, but the cnc cutted kit (wood, fiberglass,resin) from CDK is sold for around 25k. Of course this is just a start, but still an economic one
     
  7. charlesakeem
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    What goes into a cat.
    Well I tried an experiment to see how long I can stand not being able to stand upright turns out i cant make it a day without rage and an hour without severe aggravation. So it back on the search currently pricing out a gypsy will report back when converting metric stops giving me a headache.
    Also I'm assuming this i due to my unfamiliarity with metric but how does one go about converting Kg's of epoxy to gallons pretty much priced out everything and about to pull the trigger on a design but for the life of me I cant figure it out so I used the weight of water to figure it out any corrections?
    http://www.sailingcatamarans.com/studyplans website/Gypsy/matlist2.htm to see what I mean the epoxy and polyurethane glue is in Kg
     
  8. outside the box

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    Best person to talk to would be the Designer.
     
  9. Richard Woods
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    The metric system is really very easy, way easier than the imperial system, which is now only used in the USA. One litre of water weighs one kilogram. One ton of water weighs 1000kgs, so is 1000litres, and it is also one cubic metre. Or one metre cubed. So everything is easily related to everything else.

    And you don't have the fibreglass weight confusion either. Everything is measured in grams/sq m. Whereas in the USA chopped strand mat is measured per square foot yet cloth is per square yard (so 1oz CSM weighs the same as 9oz of cloth)

    There are about 5kgs epoxy to one gallon (US, not imperial)

    Hope that helps

    From the Gypsy designer

    Richard Woods of Woods Designs

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  10. charlesakeem
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    Yes it does help greatly I understand the ease of use with metric but none of the suppliers I see here in the US post the metric equivalent of their product.
    But if I may have your paypal address so I can order the gypsy study plans it would be greatly appreciated
     
  11. peterchech
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    Yeah my biggest gripe is going to hardware stores here in the USA and not being able to FIND any rulers/measuring tapes in metric!!!
     
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    Google is your friend !
     
  13. redreuben
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    redreuben redreuben

    While we can buy all metric many still have medieval on other side.
     

  14. charlesakeem
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    Well the past 2 weeks have been a whirlwind. I now have somehow managed to have an even smaller time/budget window, which has made the gypsy 28 from tight to impossible.
    The boat I am hoping to build in the immediate future is a trilobyte 32 ( unless any of you decide to bombard me with excellent similar designs again )
    http://www.triloboats.com/order.html#T32
    Thankyou for all the replies and responses it has been much appreciated and much enlightening considering all the time i've spent searching the internet these past few years I still get hit with amazing designs and designers i'd never heard of previously
    Now its 620 am and I'm off to bed
     
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