My objections to Zero's new Health care plan.

Read these objections, and wonder what air head could ever go along with this socialistic tripe!
Dick.


My objections:

Page 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

Page 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits 4 you. you have no choice!

Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Page 58HC Bill - Government will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your banks accounts for electronic funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Government control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Government will ration your Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Government mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example - Translation for illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Government will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Government HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of benefit levels for Plans. #AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed

PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue the government on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Government Monopoly.

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Government will tell YOU what you can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Business with payroll between 251k & 400k who doesn't provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC according to Government will be taxed 2.5% of income.

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Administration (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances and personal records.

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesn’t matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 Government sets value of a Doctor's time, professional judgment, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Government mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Federal Government regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Government will penalize hospitals for what Government deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission the Government will penalize you.

Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government tells Doctors what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Government is mandating hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Government mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in to Government plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Government creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Committe. Can you say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consultation. Think Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Government will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life. The Government has a say in how your life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "advance care planning consult" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "advance care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from government.

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The government will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Government will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Government into your marriage

Pg 494-498 Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services


http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/hrdraft.pdf

 

nothing has been passed yet and the insurance companys already tell you what you get, which doc you get it from and how much you get

and who is gong to listen to the people the insurance company about which the people have no voice or the gov which wants to get reelected

and dont forget the profit motive

united health care has posted record profits last quarter

 

The Government does ONE thing very well - Fight wars, and they do that with huge waste. Until coverage was mandated, healthcare was like any other business - it worked and we got it for a reasonable price because WE were paying for it. When someone else pays, everybody loses. I cost my parents $9.00 to be born. Each of all four of my children cost in excess of $11,000! WTF! Businessmen, as myself, take it in the shorts - Now they want ME to pay for other's healthcare!

 

when you get ssi and medicare wont that be others paying for it
if your in the usa

i love people that say gov dosnt work ( republican types) and when they get into power the first thing they do is prove gov dosnt work except for the rich

and health tied to work in the us is a fluke of history, during ww2 wages were frozen so to attract workers company's started giving out benefits , one that was cheap was health care as there wasn't much medicine could do at the time, ie you got cancer you died, while the rest of the world health was a citizens right.

so tell me big business works, or havnt you heard about wall street and the big banks, been in the news you know?

any human organization can be set up to work or fail . from gov to big business

 

Lets see, the US right now spends more per person on healthcare than any other country in the world. We have some of the worst healcare results of any developed country in the world. Yup government staying out of it is working so far.

We spend BILLIONS a year on medical billing expenses in addition to the cost of the healthcare itself.

We spend BILLIONS in administrative overhead dealing with hundreds of different insurance companies.

We have MILLIONS of people that CAN NOT buy health insurance at any price from anyone. Even if they want to, and could afford it.

We require doctors to perform emergency medicine for anyone who comes in the door. 90% of which goes unpaid because people can't afford to pay their bills.

End of life medical expenses (last 6 months of life) consume over 50% of your lifetime medical expenses in the US.

Most of the objections you posted are all ready true. Ever heard of HMO's denying treatment, insurance companies sending bills no one can underdstand, lifetime benefit limits, ect... These already exist so what's your objection again?

 

yay stumble

but its a waste on the nonthinking

 

Hold up here. The Non-thinkers are the Nation of Sheep led by the DNC with all these distortions.
Americans enjoy the very best Health care in the whole world, and at the Cheapest cost, AND, they get it when they want it!

Where ever you guys are getting your BS is just plain distorting a lie.

Stmble I dont under stand what point you are trying to make with your stats, but it pales in comparisin to the Cost of our medical when the Government begins to dole out to the Working and the Un-employable, the same care at the same schedule.

Try harder to make your point clearer to the reader.

Wardd, you seem to believe Obama's straw man theory on the rich being the enemy.
A short lecture on the facts of life in the U.S.
The Rich go out and work, suffer, gamble, etc to get Rich.
Along the way they need help so they HIRE help. (See where you fit in?)
The Rich guy couldn't make any profit. So he couldn't afford to hire more worker bees(the ones who stopped short of a complete education and a lot of personal drive and ambition)

Congress approved a method of collecting taxes from everybody earning money in the U.S.

So....Every Job in the U.S. comes as a result of the Graduated income tax act.
Which in turn came as a direct result of somebody wanting to get rich.

You Sheeple let Obama make a straw man out of the Rich. If it makes you feel good, count yourselves as the underachievers hoping for a handout.

Can you see that you would be begging in the streets if it weren't for the Rich.
You keep listening to Obama and you might still be begging in the streets!

 

and when the rich screw up uncle sugar to the rescue ie wall street bailouts, when will the little people that didn't cause this mess get help?

the rich don't create jobs, consumers ( you and me) wanting a product creates a demand that is met by hieing workers to fill that demand, the rich don't create jobs because they have all that extra money or are feeling charitable, tt takes consumers with money to spend, which is why we're in the dump now, consumers aren't spending and i don't see the rich hiring people to stand around or make things that will go unsold. unemployment continues to rise.

and if the rich weren't being bailed out maybe they would be begging in the street

when will people realize that the rich have more in common with the rich in other countries than they do with the common folks at home

a half trillion just went to foreign bankers to bail them out and bernanke told congress he doesn't know which foreign banks or companys received the money, that was a lot of the common peoples money that will bail out the rich in other countries

 

While it is really pretty stupid to talk politics on a boat forum I just can't help it on this subject. The system we have now is not perfect but it works pretty damn good. People have no idea what goes on in hospitals or what a big industry it is. Where I live in Pugetropolis if all of the buildings that house healthcare facilities were painted blue and had BOEING painted on the side of them maybe people would get a clue.

Modern medicene is expensive. Just looking at it from a construction guy standpoint there are hundreds of thousands of square feet of building stock wrapped up in the industry. Those buildings are filled with top to bottom with expensive "medical" grade systems and extremely expensive machinery.

Besides the really really expensive built in machinery there are tons of just really expensive portable machinery all over the place. A typical hospital has so much of it that a common sight is to walk past a hallway filled with machines pushed against the wall. This is after they have filled all the spaces that were designed as equiptment "garages".

To think that having the government meddle with this will make it better or cheaper is to be hopelessly naive.

 

At last - now you start to feel it in the wallet and personal privacy, WTF have I been trying to tell you folk for the last couple of years? - - Soo bloody blind to what was coming that you got my original thread on global politics & economics banned (deleted)???? Wake up and start "tea-parties" in your neighbourhood before the "thought police" take full control....

 

And joking all the time

 

Ahhheam, - - where did you get that idea? - - Prove it...

Definitely not the cheapest, - - and ask the uninsured if they get it when they need it? - - (because they were laid off and cannot afford the insurance premiums) - -Enough ******** already...........
http://financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/glenn/2009/0723.html

 

"I think most all of us here have had the opportunity to take our kids to a fast-food restaurant," said Rep. Judy Biggert (R-Ill.). "We want to get a good dinner, and you walk in and there's 50 people there and it seems like everybody in line wants to buy food for their soccer team or whatever. The American people aren't particularly good at standing in line, but that's exactly what's going to happen if this health care plan goes through."

so she's afraid that if more people have access to health care she may have to wait for hers, what a pity, just because all those without healthcare pay for hers is no reason for her to have any compassion

if more people have health care then the supply will increase to match the demand, isn't that the way markets work?

 

"I think most all of us here have had the opportunity to take our kids to a fast-food restaurant," said Rep. Judy Biggert (R-Ill.). "We want to get a good dinner, and you walk in and there's 50 people there and it seems like everybody in line wants to buy food for their soccer team or whatever. The American people aren't particularly good at standing in line, but that's exactly what's going to happen if this health care plan goes through."

so she's afraid that if more people have access to health care she may have to wait for hers, what a pity, just because all those without healthcare pay for hers is no reason for her to have any compassion

if more people have health care then the supply will increase to match the demand, isn't that the way markets work?

anyway hasn't big business become government?

about time we took it back so it can work for the people

 

It looks like we have some rather passionate opinions around here....

As for me, I'll stick with being Canadian.... most of our health-care costs are built into our tax base, it's really quite a streamlined system. The total per-capita costs are about half of what they are for our privately-insured American friends, for pretty much identical care, everyone is covered, and our average lifespan is longer as a result. Employers love it- they pay about the same taxes as they would in the US, but they don't have to pay thousands upon thousands per employee for health plans. Yes, we do have the occasional day where wait times are too long, but that issue is well on its way to being solved.