12th edition of Transat Jacques Vabre: 8 Tris (Multi50 & Maxis) started on Sunday

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  1. Corley
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    Ciela Village is heading for Cape Verde for sail repairs. A pity because they were doing so well in the Multi50 class.
     
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    Tjv

    It's been a bad day-Hugo Boss sinking, Spirit of Hungary losing their rig and now Ciela Village- too bad for the sailors involved but a few designers, engineers and builders are going to have to answer a lot of questions.
     
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    TJV--Race HQ Summary

    From Race HQ:

    The second Saturday of the Transat Jacques Vabre and the worst should, by all accounts, be behind the fleet. Mostly all of Class 40, IMOCA, Multi50 and the Ultimes are in the Trade Winds now, working the rotation around the Azores high pressure to best effect.

    Right now these hours are the first real chance to take stock, to ramp up the rest, to sort out the watch routine to really look after each other so maximum energy and maximum speed are available from here to the finish. Often one skipper will start on the necessary repairs and one will keep the boat up at maximum speed.

    Most skippers who have been spoken to by Race HQ in the last 48 hours have confirmed they have damage of some type. Eric Bellion, the French co-skipper sailing with Briton Sam Goodchild, revealed they had to replace a damaged lashing on a leeward shroud. The problems for Sam Davies, sailing with Tanguy de Lamotte on Initiative Coeur, is more serious but so far not race-threatening. An initial problem when their windward, starboard rudder was smashed by a wave, damaging the top attachment, was sorted by the pair before they could gybe. But once they were settled on the new gybe they discovered a crack in the supporting structure for the rudder box. This, reported de Lamotte will require a longer term repair. But the duo are absolutely determined to finish their race and hold on to their 4th place. Having slowed today, sailing under smaller jib and reefed main, they had slid to fifth but were still just 13 miles behind Thomas Ruyant and Adrien Hardy on Le Souffle de Nord (ex Groupe Bel). And this afternoon the duo reported that they had made a successful repair and were just waiting for it to dry.

    “ Many boats have made the U turn, but we are fourth and want to keep it. We must fight on and we need to finish. It is all good training for next year. Sam is very optimistic.” De Lamotte reported.

    With SMA now abandoned from fourth place the breakaway group forming the vanguard of the IMOCA fleet is lead by Banque Populaire VIII which is just over 20 miles ahead of PRB, Vincent Riou and Seb Col with Queguiner-Leucemie Espoir, Yann Elies and Charlie Dalin at 36 miles behind. Then there is a 280 miles gap back to Ruyant and Hardy. Bellion and Goodchild are ninth with 11 of the 20 starters still actively racing in the direction of Brasil.

    In Class 40 the leaders are lengthening their stride too, Le Coservateur now 56 miles ahead of V and B but the top four boats are still within 100 miles of each other.

    But, perhaps contrary to some expectations, the closest match on the race course is the duel between the two leaders, Sodebo Ultim’ and Macif. Since 0430hrs this morning they have been pacing each other at near identical speeds 27-28kts, making around 530 mile days. Francois Gabart and Pascal Bidégorry still have the upper hand, five miles up on Thomas Coville and Jean-Luc Nélias.

    They said:

    Eric Bellion (FRA), Comme Un Seul Homm Stand As One (IMOCA): “We have a few things to do. These are the result of the first week at sea. The wind has calmed down now. We wanted to set the spinnaker but we found some problems with the leeward shroud. The lashing had ripped off and if we had gybed we would have surely lost the rig. We repaired that and the wind vane we had to climb the mast to replace it. But we did the right things. It is all good now. We are in the trade winds now going south under spinnaker. The conditions? Sun, 15kts wind which comes from the NW which allows us to get south. We sailed with some good teams around us but we have lost a little time. But we are very happy with the start of our race. Now we tidy stuff away, clean up, eat a little and then we implement the strategy. Our routing now tells us we are on the same tack to the finish.”

    Tanguy de Lamotte, skipper Initiatives Coeur(IMOCA): "It is a bit slow but we are on the right gybe now. Out problems started the day before yesterday when the rudder was damaged before we gybed. Last night we picked our time to get it off as it damaged the upper rudder mounting. We fixed it and set the big kite. This morning I was at the helm and the load on the rudder was too much and it ripped the horizontal strengthening. So we have two composite repairs to stabilise it. I think it will take most of the way to Cape Verde to get it fixed. We have one reef and the J3 in 15kts of wind. But we really can’t push too hard or it stresses the damage. So we are in repair mode but still going, on course. Many boats have made the U turn, but we are fourth and want to keep it. We must fight on and we need to finish. It is all good training for next year. Sam is very optimistic.”

    Maxime Sorel, V and B skipper (Class40): "We set the spinnaker tonight, it feels good! We have about 25 knots, there was more and we pushed south at 190 ° towards Cape Verde. Water was everywhere after these conditions. Now we enjoy the sunshine, get things dry and get rid of any water on board. We are still in our foulies though because there is a big swell. I cannot wait to get shower and in to some clean clothes. Our cockpit is enclosed so I can shower there. Soap up, wash off with fresh water. We have struggled a bit for weather info with no wind wane. But we see what is happening behind the guys in front. We made a good start to the race. Now we need to fix the want but need to wait for the swell to drop to climb the mast.”

    Jean-Luc Nélias, co-skipper of Sodebo Ultim '(Ultime): "The trade winds are welcoming us but are weak. We need to have the boat at between 18 and 20kts. The boat is fantastic. Looking at the Doldrums, where we are heading does not look too bad. It changes every day. The sea is flat and it is nice. As for MACIF this is their time a bit, they got a bit more wind yesterday and we were lifted so that was to his advantage. But it really is neck and neck, there is nothing in it and we have been at the same speeds since 0430hrs this morning. And last night was the first time we really got some sleep. And now we are on a longer gybe and so there is time to do things.”
     
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    Hugo Boss

    Man, The Boss is a disaster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baRuPri15_s


    UPDATE:

    Alex Thomson and Guillermo Altadill are now back on land after a successful rescue from the Spanish coast guard this afternoon. The Alex Thomson Racing Team is now heading back out to sea to bring HUGO BOSS safely ashore.
    The skippers had made a second repair and were hove to (this is where the yacht is stationary and comfortably sits head to wind). The reason for slowing the racing yacht was to prevent any unnecessary damage. Whilst waiting for the weather to clear a rogue wave caught HUGO BOSS causing the yacht to turn upside down. Alex and Guillermo managed to close the hatches and secure the situation whilst inverted. Alex immediately hit the keel button, bringing the IMOCA back upright. They then alerted the rescue services and technical team of an emergency situation. The yacht had taken onboard a substantial amount of water and the rig had sustained damage requiring the skippers to leave the yacht.
    Alex Thomson explains ‘It was an incredibly unusual event and we need to understand why it happened. It was a rogue wave, but we should not have inverted the way that we did. I am now going to go with the technical team and ensure a successful recovery of our new racing yacht.’
     
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    Lead 50 and lead IMOCA almost the same exact speed.....
     
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    I wished they can make the win.... so bad. Dam**** what is going with the sails makers these days ?? Too many of the racing boats have problems with sails, so it feels.
     
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    No merci with Alex, no merci with Boss, no merci with mercedes...

    http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2015/10/31/coast-guard-rescue-for-hugo-boss/

    I am really upset. Shocking to see a drifting wreck of 100% carbon. Such a 60 ft flipped over ???? Strange.... I cant remember, that the Team management talked about a "dismasted boat", right ? It all sounded kind of "little damages"... we tried to repair it on the way, but for safetyness we abandon. We talk about a 60 foot boat, not about a 24 footer.

    As soon "big money" is destroying "fair play", e.g. avoiding an open and direct communication with the audience... then something is going heavily wrong.

    Yes, I already mentioned it... its a PR super gau for Mercedes and Boss... a boat less than 10 days in the water and now a wreck !!

    I address this to the marketing chiefs and product managers: Guys, make your homework !!!! This has nothing to do with sail racing. That's "Russian Roulet" method. We sailors dont want hear, see or read such mad stories.

    And Alex should learn his lesson too... maybe not wasting his time for spectacles like mast walking and jumping into the ocean from keel. All show making... he should invest his time to find a good sponsor as partner who takes it seriously with a trustworthy planning, and more important "pre-planning" + test phase.

    I expect a good race.... mostly driven by tactis, sail skills, excellent weather navigation etc. ... and not waking up every morning having in mind: Which boat is capsized today ? Which crwe has abandoned before evening ? Not fun to see a bunch of sailing folks who are spoilt with million heavy budgets presenting us such a bad "show".

    Who gives me 5 million (HB costed 3.3 million only for the boat building) and I can gamble around like a little kid not knowing what I am doing just for having fun over some few days, with big media attention ? Hands up pls... :) :D

    Yes.... I am really upset... such folks should work in film and fashion industries where they can hype themselves weekly in yellow press.

    Probably in some weeks we will get the news, that Alex gets a new boat for the Vende Globe... because the structural damages are too heavy.. and then again we see the same fools and greenhorns coming out of the meeting rooms having made stupid decisions just to hunt behind image with a new highly expensive campaign. No further interests from my side...
     
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    Hey Skip,

    what gives you the idea that you are in a position
    to "adress" something ,
    to teach others ,
    to advice others,
    and, last but not least,
    to speak for others ?



    pogo
     
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    What kind of skippers, boat builders, designers, naval architects, rig masters, sail makers we have in 21st century who are involved in such huge expensive regatta projects ? - Feels like "spoilt little kids" gambling around having rich millionair/billionair daddies...

    Every engineer who is working in the segments of industries, where we see extremly heavy loads, too.... e.g. mining, tunneling, building skyscrapers or gigantic bridges etc. .... cant afford such damages. It would kill hundreds of people's life. And every engineer would take the risk to sit for rest of his life in prison building such crap.

    Why does it happen in sail racing so heavily ? Inspite we have computer simulations, 3D and CAD ssytems and CNC modelling to buid "perfect boats". It would be worth to take a seriously proof, isnt ?
     
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    Tjv

    JR, I think you're going way overboard. Not enough is known of the details of the Boss or any other boat for armchair sailors to make decisions about why, how etc.. Just cool it until the facts are known.
     
  12. Doug Lord
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    Tjv

    From Race HQ:

    This Sunday, the three times Transat Jacques Vabre winner Jean-Pierre Dick and Fabien Delahaye informed the race directors that they have been forced to abandon the Transat Jacques Vabre.
    The St Michel Virbac duo discovered crack transverse ribs in their sail bin area. After discovering this on Friday the pair have sailed ot Madeira to further assess the damage and to effect repairs. But the team have taken the decision that this damage curtails their race.
    Dick said today: "The boat in its current configuration, even repaired, is not strong enough to attempt a crossing of the Atlantic. We're not 100% sure that the boat is able to sail in the squalls that might be encountered in the Doldrums or at Cabo Frio, Brazil. This repair and reinforcement will take time. And for St Michel-Virbac to be able to race again It must be durable. "

    What is your mindset?
    JP Dick: "I am very disappointed but we must move on positively. We will go straight into a boat building process be able to sail safely and at 100% potential. Boats designed today are too fragile. We work now with the designers on Version 2 which is more consistent with the program. With my partners, we are frustrated not being able to finish the race but that's part and parcel of this game. These are racing prototypes. You need to update and evolve these prototypes. We knew we had a lot to learn with this new generation of boat foiler. And so we are already working to the future. "
    What is the future program?
    JP Dick: "We have two options: "To participate in the Transat B to B or to return to the base in Lorient. We will decide in the coming days. The decision depends on the repairs. "



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    Skip,

    now YOU ( you !) wanna investigate why all those architects ,engineers and specialist have not designed and built the "perfect boat" ?
    They all must be loosers , on whom YOU , the almighty master engineer , can put the blame on.




    What gives you the idea that you are able to judge about other people's (specialists' )
    work ?



    Cobbler , stick to your last.



    pogo
     

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    But you have to admit that the only way they could break a Volvo race boat was to run it ashore at full speed.....

    RW
     
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