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Discussion in 'Marketplace' started by nukisen, Jan 13, 2010.

  1. nukisen
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    nukisen Senior Member

    Anyone intersted in epoxy glue "pe918 yacht glue"?
    I am able to order for about 17 USD/Kilo freight Included, this is from a china based Company. This is an example to order to sweden. I assume it almost is the same for most of EU countries. I am not sure what about the freight to for an example to US. But I think It will be cheaper then it is for shipping to Sweden. Also this price is for express delivery. So I think the delivery time to Sweden is about 5-7 days.

    For bigger chippings About a ton the price will decrease I think.

    As I am not a very rich man priority the rent and food for my family, this factory has promised me to sponsor with epoxy for my next projekt. If I am able to find new customers.

    Anyone interested?
     
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2010
  2. nukisen
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    nukisen Senior Member

    17 dollars for a kilo looks awsome for me.
    What do you think?
     
  3. rasorinc
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    rasorinc Senior Member

    I would not use Chinese epoxy. You have no idea what is in it. They put deadly chemicals in sheetrock they sold us. Sent over dog food that killed many of our pets and killed over 1,000 of their own people by putting milamene in milk. Buy at your own risk.............................................
     
  4. nukisen
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    nukisen Senior Member

    Then now I do wonder how much of the epoxy that does have oem from other countries. Then actually is imported from China. It isn´t harder to do this then actually import the epoxy and fill it over to another bucket.

    And then say the Epoxy is for an example Swedish. But why do this?

    All you have to do is ask for a table of contain and get a cert. about the containg. Then it is actually criminal attend to put something else then the table of content says.
     
  5. isvflorin
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    isvflorin Junior Member

    Well, poisoning cases from China are well known, however your POV is a bit superficial. There will probably be a time coming when the ONLY epoxy you will be able to buy will be made in China, as other countries vote for stricter rules regarding environmental protection. China's legislation is more relaxed from this point of view still. Making epoxy resin is not an environmental friendly process , not by far, and yes epoxy is a DEADLY CHEMICAL, nomatter where it is made. As long as the resin has a quality certificate and accompanied by a chemical analisys it may possible be as good as West. I would first enquire about test samples and quality/composition before deciding. Suggesting it is bad because it is Chinese is pointless. Try searching the net and see how many DOW CHEMICAL factories are in the US and CHINA, and what is happening to DOW due to US and EU legislation. Face the facts and realize you may already have used chinese epoxy by now. Not to mention the other hundreds of objects for daily use made in China.
    Is DOW epoxy made in EU better than DOW epoxy made in China ? Since apparently they are good at poisonous chemicals maybe they are very good at making epoxy.
     
  6. nukisen
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    nukisen Senior Member

    Isvflorin!
    I do think that you are very right in your post! Seems that you do knaw quite well about this.

    Also I can also mension that if I was about to build a bigger prodessional boat then I should use a product as the west system or an equal product. Because a feil would cost so much more so the price of the ep would be worth some kind of warranty. Of course then we are willing to pay for the garrant. Then I would not ask very much from where the product is actually produced. I would find a product that I know works.
     
  7. isvflorin
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    isvflorin Junior Member

    epoxy

    Well, I'm not saying it is good or bad, I just won't dismiss it cause it is made in China. I am aware of boatbuilders that buy epoxy from small independent companies, with formulations specific to their needs. Epoxy is almost like a pizza, if you are dealing with a smaller company they may throw in a specific formula for your needs.

    If there is a significant price advantage I would certainly look into it. Talking about epoxy manufacturers : I bought Resoltech/Bostik epoxy supposedly made in France, cheaper than WEST but customer support is ...zero. I had some trouble with my hardner bottles and sent lots of emails to Bostik and local supplier, nothing back, so I would never buy again. WEST is known for excellent customer support. Well known brand is definitelly reassuring.

    Furthermore, if you can publish a datasheet from the manufacturer ppl will be able to compare apples to apples.

    Florin
     
  8. nukisen
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    nukisen Senior Member

    item
    Base
    hardener
    Appearance
    Colorless to buff transparent liquid
    Tan transparent liquid
    Component
    Epoxy resin
    Modified Amine
    Viscosity(mpa.s/25℃ )
    8000-20000
    10000-40000
    Solid content
    100
    100
    Mix ratio (weight)
    1
    1
    Work time
    50minutes
    Initial curing time(25℃)
    5hours
    Initial curing time(10℃)
    20hours
    Initial curing time(50℃)
    60minutes
    Total curing time
    25℃*7days
    Total curing time
    50℃*1day
    Bond strength(between aluminum and aluminum)
    110kg/cm2(25℃*7days)
     
  9. isvflorin
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    isvflorin Junior Member

    Interesting facts,
    if the stated viscosity is Brookfiled standard that means this epoxy is aproximately 4 times more viscous than "regular" epoxy. That is not good for wetting fibers. This probably means this type of epoxy is more like a glue but not intended for fiberglass work, it could be used as a glue for filling gaps, could work with fillers too, used as protective layer aswell. It could be a great epoxy for making artwork and casting parts with it. However the high viscosity will make it hard for wetting fibers, especially carbon. Current epoxy I'm using is rated 2200mpas and I consider it pretty viscous, but ok for wet layup.
    Florin
     
  10. nukisen
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    nukisen Senior Member

    item
    Base
    hardener
    Appearance
    Black viscous liquid
    Buff liquid
    Component
    Epoxy resin
    Modified Amine
    Viscosity(mpa.s/25℃ )
    10000-40000
    5-100
    Mix ratio (weight)
    4
    1
    Workable time(25℃)
    >100minutes(100g)
    Cure condition
    25℃*7days or 50℃*8hours
    Hardness(SHORE D)
    >78
    Specific volume resistance (25℃)
    >1013∩.cm
    Surface resistivity
    >1013∩
    Dielectric strength
    >18
     

  11. nukisen
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    nukisen Senior Member

    The last one must be for electronic covers.
     
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