Help me choose the best boat type to design?

Thanks. This boat certainly seems very interesting.

 

Has every sailor that died in a storm died because the vessel he was in was not skippered correctly? There's nothing foolish or naïve about my position on this issue. Boats get caught in storms, and are struck by freak waves, regardless as to the skill of their captains. Now, if a boat were built to withstand the worst conditions, those that sail within it are far safer. Relying on navigation alone for safety is the mode of the fool. Masts snap off the common production line boats with utter ease, and which manufacturer of any blue water yacht even sells a boat that has a mast capable of pivoting down flush with the deck so that it is protected from leaving sailors afloat and at the mercy of God? An uncommon manufacturer, if any at all. If you sail relying more so on your skill as a sailor than the engineering in your boat, I say the best of luck to you! The prudent sailor has both a strong boat, and as much knowledge to control and navigate it as he can muster. It's both, not one or the other.

 

You should stop being so insulting about factors that are caused by physics, especially when it appears you have not got the slightest experience in the environment you are talking about and its issues.

Exactly how much time have you spent foiling, for example?

 

So you insult other people for being weak and yet can't even get over a silly phobia of an extraordinary safe form of travel?

Your problem is not with the UK or the boat designers and owners you insult so freely.

 

Presumably you are talking about the ocean? Is it big, wet, hostile, and dangerous? Am I missing anything in my lack of experience?

If my motorcycle frame suddenly snaps in half as I'm riding down the motorway, should I just put it down to physics, or blame the manufacturer for failing to make a machine that is fit for purpose?

 

Who, exactly, have I insulted?

I think while common men care more about the wine list and in-flight movie when they go flying at 36000 ft and 600 mph than they do being equipped with a pressure suit and parachute, my desire to stay away is quite valid.

 

Yes, you are missing almost everything in your complete lack of experience. You basically know nothing if you have not been out there a considerable amount.

Yacht masts do not suddenly snap when sailing along unless badly designed, and there are some but you dishonestly imply that all or most boats are badly designed. That is simply not the case.

 

I have plenty experience at sea, hence this thread. As for most boats being badly designed, yes, they are. Specifically, I mean the sort of boat typically exhibited at the large boat shows and offered for sale with copious wine from the well-presented sales staff with their fake smiles. Absolutely, I stand by my oppugnation of the industry. This is why I want to build my own instead of relying on profit-making companies serving people that I have nothing in common with. Anyway, this thread is primarily about the structural strength of catamarans and to what degree they are weaker than monohulls with respect to storm weather. This is not about the quality of mass produced consumer products that are priced more than the average house.

 

Read your own posts. You have insulted just about every single designer and builder in the world, by stating that you are "yet to see any boat that I would desire to own and trust." You have apparently little or no experience sailing yachts in the ocean but have the bizarrely weird egotistic claim that you are nevertheless such an expert that you know that the creator of every single boat you have ever seen is such a fool that they fail to achieve the standards you require.

There are also many implicit insults in your claims, for example, that the complex hydraulics you write of could be created by any local machinist for a few hundred pounds, when in fact marine hydraulics for such work would normally involve far higher cost. You are therefore insulting the many expert and very experience people who design and create the hydraulics currently in use. They are not the ****** you imply they are - they create far more costly systems because that is the only way to make them work.

It is just illogical and silly to claim that people should care about the lack of a pressure suit while in a commercial jet. Your chance of dying in a plane crash even without such a suit are so low that .05 passengers per million die. It is utterly illogical to try to escape such a vanishingly small risk by undertaking an activity that even with the best care, creates much higher risks. You do not have the faintest idea about how the risk of your completely untried design, being used by someone with zero experience, would compare to the extraordinarily safe alternative of air travel.

One of the basics of safe sailing is an understanding of the true risks involved, and you clearly lack that understanding.

 

I used smugglers as an example because there are an easy To quantify relatively known illegal element. My broader point is bad intentioned folks have a shocking capacity it seems to acquire speed and fuel. Haven't spent enough time equatorial but very little of the northern hemispheres oceans allow the sustained speed of 50 knots without a govt paying for the vessel.


The boats I play with might only see champaign on launch and never again. Have minimal creature comforts, are very rugged. And yet none can move across the ocean at a high rate of speed, nor sadly are they cheap. Fish hold full of diesel would likely get me halfway or all the way around the nw passage, wouldn't be a lot of fun but could do. Certainly wouldn't be at 50 knots.

Don't want to discount the underlying gut feeling motivating the project. I'm one of the three places on earth I'd want to be if backs had to be against the wall for a last stand. Guess I'd focus more on getting to wherever that is for you and get there now as opposed to making a craft to get there.

 

Infinitus, occasionally we get clueless tyros here with unrealistic fantasies. Sometimes they listen. Too often, like you, their hubris ensures their inability to learn a darn thing.
I like throwing barbs at these unrealistic dreamers to maybe take them down a notch or two in the hopes they'll pay attention.
In your case, there is no point mocking you, you have embarrassed yourself quite nicely.

 

May I ask, is your hair dyed light blue? You seem to be getting offended by proxy via your imagination, and fuelled by a proclivity for virtue signalling. If my personal opinion and perception of the boating industry makes you sad, then this thread is not for you, unless you can advise on catamaran structural strength issues. Furthermore, your interpretation of my comments is utterly flawed, and I do not appreciate your projecting into my words things that are not there to be read, which you then criticise me on.

I am quite happy to repeat my claim that I could design and build hydraulic cylinders for a far lower price than they would cost to acquire professionally. Why? Because I'm not having to pay an engineer's six-figure salary for a few days, the profit of a company, and the costs involved in running $millions worth of equipment in an expensive workshop. I don't care if my cylinders are 30 % less efficient than more expensive units built by people that focus on them all day long every day. These are economic axioms, and nothing for you to get upset about. I'm sure the imaginary people in your head are not getting upset, only you. Get over yourself.

You can judge me all you like. I rather expect, however, that my experiences in sailing and naval architecture are far greater than your experience in psychology. Please do not continue this. Your point is made (and refuted).

 

In reality, I would most likely sail the boat across oceans rather than go under power, or on foils. However, the capability for sustained cruising at 30 kts under power is one that would give me added confidence in the boat, and one I might use if in a rush (if I want to be somewhere in less than a few months...), or pursued by pirates. I ran basic calculations years ago on this, and I am confident in building a boat with a 10k miles range.

 

I think the situation here is that you lack any and all capacity for innovative thinking, and have zero creativity, and even less ambition. You are stuck in your traditionalist ways and feel only contempt for those of use that strive for technological progress. Your arrogance is diabolical, and I expect there is very little to back it up. I lament that you chose to defile this thread with your unwelcome bilge, and I request that you do not continue with it. If, however, you have knowledge on the structural strength of catamarans, please share. Otherwise, please just stick with the local lake for your jollies while I make slightly more adventurous plans.

 

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