Can you ID this small 1960’s/70’s sailboat?

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  1. Richard Gaysowski
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    Can anyone identify this sailboat? I posted in this category as it will most likely not be revived as a sailboat, but a river fishing “ platform”.

    Background: I needed a Jon boat trailer as I was gifted a 12 ft Aluminum Jon boat. I found one and the lady said the sailboat goes with the trailer. She had the daggerboard cut out, sealed, and used it as a rowing boat years ago in the Tampa area. The mast, rudder, sail, tiller, etc, all intact and in good condition.

    Information: She said the previous owner said it was from the late 60’s, early 70’s. There is no hull number or data plates anywhere. The original color is white, red below waterline. The fiberglass is intact and in good shape.I did fiberglass repair some holes in the rear area, took it out on the water and is now water tight.
    Length: 12 1/2 feet. Width: 65”. Aluminum Mast: 18 1/2 ft tall the horizontal aluminum piece 8 ft long.
    Transom from top to bottom of Skeg is 20”. 51” across. Bow ( beautiful shape) 27” tall.

    My plans ( don’t get upset), beef up the transom and put a 5 HP outboard on it for river, lake fishing. I have read up and realize a hull like this will never become a speedboat, and may have roll problems. I would be happy with a modest speed of 5-7 mph with a 5 HP outboard. In short, a very roomy fishing platform ( compared to our standard 12 ft aluminum Jon boat). All thoughts, even insults welcomed.
     

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  3. Tops
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    Hello RG,
    If the sail is original, it may have a logo that points to a make or model. The hardware from the rudder or boom might give clues too.
     
  4. Richard Gaysowski
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    Thank you, I will check the sail. All the aluminum hardware, rudder, dagger board, fittings, masts, etc yield nothing.
     
  5. Richard Gaysowski
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    Pics of hardware and sails.
     

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    You won't need 5 HP to make this boat go 5 knots. A 2 HP Honda or similar will drive it just as well.
     
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  8. Richard Gaysowski
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    Would a Yamaha 6 HP ( weight 58 lbs) be “ to much” propulsion? A friend has offered me one very reasonable, cheap, within my budget. My intent is to use this on a few spring fed rivers in the Crystal River, Homossasa Rivers, where the flow/ tide in and out can be very strong.
    During a negative tide once we were in Kayaks and at one point could not paddle back in until the tide started switching, it was a long day but yielded a few slot sized Redfish.
     
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  10. Tops
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    Thanks for the pictures Richard. I passed them along to my 'usual suspects' in the small sailboat world.
    Will, that Petrel looks really close. The hull has that same sort of look to it.
    I was hoping the centerboard lift handle (?) and insignia would spark memories. Sail could be from something else too.
     
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  11. Richard Gaysowski
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    I am not a sailor, but recognize an “ oddball” when I see one. The oddness I see is the rounded extruded aluminum rails that extend all around the edges. They are fitted onto the hulls fiberglass edges, giving structural support? 059A6E72-1DB0-4C53-8FD8-B562E0D6AF65.jpeg
     
  12. Richard Gaysowski
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    I got bored and decided to beef up the transom for a small outboard motor, using a kicker adjustable mount. My requirement was to use least amount of plywood. I had access to 6061 aluminum. Keep in mind I am an amateur mariner but an experienced sheet metal worker. Probably alittle late to ask for advice and opinions, but this boat was a free haul off, and will be used for river fishing.
    The transom now appears to be rock solid. I am in the final stage of epoxy and fiberglass clothing in the bottom of the marine plywood reinforcing web ( knee?) following the keel, the only weak spot as it has no fasteners. Pictured is the PC-11 first “ bedding” fillet applied. 34675EA9-5A17-4DB6-9FC2-8B18F7A0283E.jpeg 751BD1E5-93CD-4535-A015-369FF7176163.jpeg F6A9548C-B3F7-415C-A3D5-E318C03A212A.jpeg D34E0704-2B39-4B1C-9746-30AE1FE597E0.jpeg 2403809D-96E6-4A57-9682-2E05BDAFCC66.jpeg 01C0C1BC-8CE3-4728-8494-A93CD5AA3000.jpeg FF8E4AA7-F777-4F9C-88A4-C5C71D132BA4.jpeg 1363C5A1-5C5D-414E-8CA9-264AD161CFFF.jpeg
    All opinions, suggestions and insults are encouraged.
    Materials: 5 sandwiched bolted .125” 6061T4 aluminum plates. 2”x2” x .250” extruded L angle. The L angle runs vertically from the bottom ( bolted to the existing 1/2” aluminum lower rudder fitting plate) to the top transom.
    The transom was curved so I used PC-11 epoxy to build up the interior and exterior to be flat, then the plates were bolted on with 1/4” stainless bolts. Pictures explain best what was done.
    Anything I need to add for forces I don’t understand?
     
  13. Richard Gaysowski
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    Pictured is the 3/4” deck I added. The transom is directly attached to it with the 1/4” 2”x2” extruded angle and plywood. 1D77DDE5-A038-488D-BA1C-E9CFFD397B52.jpeg 1E78A9A4-CEC5-4D58-8CB0-ACFBBE2B95A2.jpeg
     
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    Pictures of where I am at. BE47E1A3-57DB-46BA-BEFC-9B84866685C6.jpeg 2DF25149-993F-4B0B-B5E4-D1ACC75A8EA7.jpeg
     

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    Thank you for the photo update Richard - all of your work looks very fine indeed, and I see no need really for anybody to hurl insults at you about it!
    You mentioned earlier a 6 hp Yamaha O/B motor that you could get for a very modest cost - did you buy it?
    Ok, it is probably a bit more power than what you need, but if you can easily put it on and take it off (re the 58 lbs) then it should work fine for your intended purpose.
    You might even find that this boat 'works out' just as well (or better even) than your Jon Boat.
     
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