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  1. ImaginaryNumber
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    Bundesbank chief: How central banks should address climate change

    We owe it to our taxpayers to keep the financial risks that arise from our monetary policy operations in check. That’s why central banks should make sure that climate-related financial risks are given due consideration in their own risk management.

    The Eurosystem should consider only purchasing securities or accepting them as collateral for monetary policy purposes if their issuers meet certain climate-related reporting obligations.

    We could also examine whether we should use only those credit ratings from rating agencies that appropriately include climate-related financial risks

    Economists widely agree that raising the market price of carbon is key to slowing global warming.
     
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    This seems absurd, to me.

    This is a call to the central banking system to act as a policing and policy extortion/enforcement agency outside their hegemony for a contingency that hasn't happened and is only projected to happen in a period of time well beyond any reasonable planning period most companies would consider.

    They are having difficulty planning an appropriate response to the emergent threat of a pandemic for the next three years. World’s Central Banks Adjust to Fed Three-Year Plan: Week Ahead https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-09-20/world-s-central-banks-adjust-to-fed-three-year-plan-week-ahead and most companies build no more than a five year plan and we expect good planning for a future that is decades away?

    It matters little how certain some "experts" might be about the effects of climate change. Nearly every article posted about what climate change will bring used words like, "Experts PROJECT" or "It COULD mean" or "IF the models are right". These are NOT words to build a long range plan around that WILL affect the lives of billions of people before they KNOW what will happen.

    A scientist noticed a maintenance man on the campus is spreading a strange powder around. The scientist asks the man what he is doing.

    "I'm spreading elephant repellent."

    The scientist says, "There are no elephants around here."

    The maintenence man replies, "Good, then it's working."

    Read 'Typhoon', by Joseph Conrad
    Typhoon, by Joseph Conrad http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1142/1142-h/1142-h.htm
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    Climate change is already happening, and will only get worse.

    It's not unusual to hear complaints about the short time frame that some companies use, often driven by the need to make share holders happy. Governments can, and should, take a longer term view. The risks of climate change are not like a race car, which can go from zero to 60 in three seconds. It's more like a freight train or an ocean tanker, which needs minutes to hours to get up to speed -- or to slow down.

    As a quasi-farmer you, of all people, should have more sympathy for those tasked with long-term planning.
    There are a number of reason why scientists use words like PROJECT, COULD, IF, etc.

    One reason is because no one knows what actions humanity will take to avert or ignore climate change. Will we rapidly convert to low-carbon energy, or will it be "drill, baby, drill?"

    Another reason is because the models that scientists build to test ideas are just that, models -- they are not the real thing. Models are simplified versions of the real thing. As faster computers become available, and as a better understanding of the physical processes is obtained, the models become better. And those newer, more sophisticated models, continue to reinforce what the earlier, less sophisticated models, said, which is that climate change is real, serious, and urgent. But urgent, not like a race car that has 1/2 second to miss a wreck ahead; more like urgent for a freight train that has been signaled that there is a bridge out 1 mile ahead.
     
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    Low-Carbon Cement Can Help Combat Climate Change
    • If cement production were a country, it would be the third-largest CO2 emitter after China and the U.S.
    • Solidia reduces by 30 percent CO2 production by using more clay, less limestone and less heat than typical processes.
    • CarbiCrete ditches the cement in concrete altogether, replacing it with a by-product of steelmaking called steel slag.
    • BioMason “grows” cementlike bricks using bacteria and particles called aggregate.
    • Researchers at UC Boulder use cyanobacteria to build a lower-carbon concrete that creates a sand-hydrogel scaffold with bacteria to create bricks with an ability to self-heal cracks.
     
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    Your graph proves my point. You are comparing thousands of years to millions of years. That is a 1000:1 ratio.
     
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    Cutting emissions makes North Atlantic focus of ocean heat uptake under global warming
    • 93% of the net energy from global warming is absorbed by global ocean surface in the form of the Ocean Heat Uptake (OHU)
    • The Southern Ocean dominants in global OHU, while the North Atlantic is much smaller
    • Under a low emission scenario the North Atlantic will absorb a higher proportion of heat
    • Under a high emission scenario both the North Atlantic and the Southern Ocean will increase OHU
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    The study was published in Science Advances.
     
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    So what? Not anthropogenic.
     
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    Where is the data coming from? People throw random numbers around to support their opinion, but it doesn't convert the opinion into fact.
     
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    The left likes random imaginary numbers, enough to rob freedom.
     
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    I'm pleasantly surprised that you are actually interested in the data, but baffled why you weren't able to find the link to the study, which was prominently displayed in the third paragraph of the article.

    Dependence of regional ocean heat uptake on anthropogenic warming scenarios
     
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    Could we ever pull enough carbon out of the atmosphere to stop climate change?
    • Planting 1 trillion trees could store about about two-thirds of the carbon released by humans into the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution began
    • Rotational grazing, reduced tilling and crop rotation increase carbon storage in soil enough to offset as much as 10% of U.S. annual net emissions
    • But planting forests can conflict with other policy goals, like food production, because they require a lot of land
    • Tech-based approaches have not been implemented on a large scale because they are extremely expensive
    • The amount of CO2 humans can emit before the global temperature rise by 1.5 C is about 300 gigatons of CO2
    • In recent years we've emitted 40 gigatons, so we have only a few years left in that budget
     
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    Red herring

    A red herring is something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important question. It may be either a logical fallacy or a literary device that leads readers or audiences toward a false conclusion. A red herring may be used intentionally, as in mystery fiction or as part of rhetorical strategies (e.g., in politics), or may be used in argumentation inadvertently.
     

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    Answer the question.
     
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