Is the ocean broken?

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  1. ImaginaryNumber
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    Just as there is more than one type of capitalism, so there is more than one type of socialism.

    A Free Market Manifesto That Changed the World, Reconsidered

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    Nobel prize-winning economics of climate change is misleading and dangerous – here’s why

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    Despite the empty claims made here that worldwide fisheries are sustainable, most credible evidence points to the opposite, that fisheries are barely regulated and what stock there is continues to be plundered on an expanding scale.

    In this article, the government spokesman blames it on Russia and the Netherlands. It's a given that Russia resorts to "thievery" of resources and treats the worlds oceans as trash dumps, but historically, it's been very well hidden how much the Netherlands pollute and "steal" the world's resources.

    It's hard to see how the UK will be able to do anything about this, being such a weak nation on it's own. They certainly can't expect any support from the US, seeing as we're abandoning all types of alliances with other nations, and can barely regulate overfishing in our own waters while continuing to lose the power of enforcing anything on international waters.


    Fishing fury: MP urges ban on supertrawlers plundering UK waters ‘They're HOOVERS!'
    SUPERTRAWLERS which enter British waters to plunder the UK's fish stocks have been branded "hoovers" by an MP who has backed a comprehensive ban to stop them from entering designated Marine Protected Areas aimed at protecting the marine environment.
    By Ciaran McGrath
    PUBLISHED: 07:00, Wed, Aug 12, 2020 | UPDATED: 17:59, Wed, Aug 12, 2020
     
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    If the UK MP thinks Russia and the Netherlands are bad, at least in the UK's own inability to control their waters,those two nations might be somewhat beneficial in keeping China out of the UK waters. Although, if China wants in they will go in, nobodies there to stop them, and since China regularly sends armed government gunboats along with their armada of deep sea trawlers, they win. China subsidizes 50% of it's nations fishing fleets maintenance and fuel costs, but even so
    Notwithstanding the livelihood problems he faces, my advice would be for that guy to change his name.

     
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    We are not abandoning our allies overseas but they need to contribute to the effort and not expect us to bankroll the whole thing.
     
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    If not, you can join hoyte in some rousing tunes on his boat songs thread

     
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    Easy enough to say. Can you give any indication of what you're talking about? Any references to lend support to your claims?
     
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    https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims4...5ba6ff579ad49caea/mikesell-fish-kill-0811.jpg



    All the problems outlined in this report of the failure of this part of Florida to regulate itself were all mentioned in the first page of this thread, 7 years ago.

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    Are you still chasing miniature elephants with your giant magnifying glass?
     
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    Uh huh, okay, well, it's difficult to see how that explains what you were talking about. Does anybody else here understand what hoyte means?
     
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    Haha. Cute isn't it, my avatar?
    I'm still not sure what you were referring to as regards our allies overseas and their need to contribute to the effort and not expect us to bankroll the whole thing.
    Which effort are you talking about ?
    What whole thing do we (the US) bankroll ?
    Does anybody from the UK or the EU know what hoyte is talking about ?
     
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    Well, while hoyte gathers his thoughts....

    I posted an article about worldwide PFAS a few days ago. It might still be here but sometimes appropriate articles get removed with the volumes of spam that get posted here.
    It's hard to imagine any of these bays and such not being heavily polluted, anywhere a large watershed empties out, it's had to eventually carry the output of hundreds of industries, hundreds or thousands of farms and probably hundreds of thousands of private septic tanks which are rarely kept in order. Not to mention whatever is coating the surfaces of every road and parking lot, such as oils, fuels, chemicals, and all the airborne micro plastics and aforementioned PFAS chemicals that cover everything. All that continually washed down the waterways and out into the ocean, except what get stuck in the sediments and marine creatures.



     
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    Perhaps this is what he means.
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    "number of important policy areas are sensitive to potential change. Examples include: The future of US engagement with NATO and the credibility, cohesion and effectiveness of the Alliance, with Mr Trump having previously challenged the relevance of NATO and suggested that America would only defend those allies that ‘pay their fair share’."

    -Will (Dragonfly)
     

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    Where was this claimed?

    -Will (Dragonfly)
     
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