Is the ocean broken?

Discussion in 'All Things Boats & Boating' started by daiquiri, Oct 24, 2013.

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  1. A II
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    A II no senior member → youtu.be/oNjQXmoxiQ8 → I wish

    Instead of your usual cynical crab mentality remark, what would be an improvement in your mind to correct my post to a better form of US English without affecting the intent that you claim to understand ?
     
  2. SamSam
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    I'm sorry, I shouldn't rag on your English, seeing as how I only know one language, whereas you must be multilingual. Even once I post something, I usually have to edit it a few times to clean up the grammar, so I have no room to maneuver here.
     
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    I speak English like it was a second language. :)
     
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    OK, thanks Sam, let's move on, and try to better the world, starting with ourselves . . :)

    One of the core ideas in Dale Carnegie's books is that it's possible to change other people's behavior by changing one's behavior towards them.


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    High-fidelity record of Earth's climate history puts current changes in context

    Summary:
    Scientists have compiled a continuous, high-fidelity record of variations in Earth's climate extending 66 million years into the past. The record reveals four distinctive climate states, which the researchers dubbed Hothouse, Warmhouse, Coolhouse, and Icehouse. These major climate states persisted for millions and sometimes tens of millions of years, and within each one the climate shows rhythmic variations corresponding to changes in Earth's orbit around the sun.

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    For the past 3 million years, Earth's climate has been in an Icehouse state characterized by alternating glacial and interglacial periods. Modern humans evolved during this time, but greenhouse gas emissions and other human activities are now driving the planet toward the Warmhouse and Hothouse climate states not seen since the Eocene epoch, which ended about 34 million years ago. During the early Eocene, there were no polar ice caps, and average global temperatures were 9 to 14 degrees Celsius higher than today.

    "The IPCC projections for 2300 in the 'business-as-usual' scenario will potentially bring global temperature to a level the planet has not seen in 50 million years," Zachos said.

    Most of the major climate transitions in the past 66 million years have been associated with changes in greenhouse gas levels. Zachos has done extensive research on the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM), for example, showing that this episode of rapid global warming, which drove the climate into a Hothouse state, was associated with a massive release of carbon into the atmosphere. Similarly, in the late Eocene, as atmospheric carbon dioxide levels were dropping, ice sheets began to form in Antarctica and the climate transitioned to a Coolhouse state.

    The research was published in Science.
     
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    CO2 levels follow climate change, not lead it.
     
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    That's been a mainstay "myth" of agw denial, disproven as fast as it was created but it still lingers. It's been disproven and explained many times on both the other threads you had suppressed, to both you and Yobalogna. You just willfully repeat the "myth" as it's easy, like growing bananas.
    There's articles all over the internet, CO2 lags temperature - what does it mean? https://skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm , but basically, there were other causes for those warming periods, solar cycles, that got it started and then the initial warming set loose sequestered co2 that then took it to the roof. These times are unique from all others because this warming is being accelerated above and beyond by the one unique factor, humans, hence our current predicament of Anthropological Global Warming.
     
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    A Secret Recording Reveals Oil Executives’ Private Views on Climate Change
    At a meeting last year, industry leaders contradicted public claims that emissions of climate-warming methane are under control
    Last summer, oil and gas-industry groups were lobbying to overturn federal rules on leaks of natural gas, a major contributor to climate change. Their message: The companies had emissions under control.

    In private, the lobbyists were saying something very different.

    At a discussion convened last year by the Independent Petroleum Association of America, a group that represents energy companies, participants worried that producers were intentionally flaring, or burning off, far too much natural gas, threatening the industry’s image, according to a recording of the meeting reviewed by The New York Times.

    “We’re just flaring a tremendous amount of gas,” said Ron Ness, president of the North Dakota Petroleum Council, at the June 2019 gathering, held in Colorado Springs. “This pesky natural gas,” he said. “The value of it is very minimal,” particularly to companies drilling mainly for oil.

    A well can produce both oil and natural gas, but oil commands far higher prices. Flaring it is an inexpensive way of getting rid of the gas.
     
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    This is almost comical, considering the participants here. I'll highlight a few things...

    "Older conservative male voters", the ones that swallow the lies and beg for more.
     
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    Plastics Are Messing with Fish Physiology
    A systematic review exposes the dangers of tiny plastics and the hidden bias at the heart of plastic research.
    by Michael Allen
    September 2, 2020 | 550 words, about 2 minutes

     
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    Screenshot_20200912-202844.png A good question.
    Note some of the temperatures in the fire zone are in the 30s and 40s.

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    Yobarnacle Senior Member holding true course

    As Hoyt sometimes complains, why are you goring my Ox?
     

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    Canada scraped a wide killing field along the US/Canuck frontier. Not only allows clear field of fire to stop illegal immigration from Hollywood MeToos,, it doubles as a fire brake.
     
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