Is the ocean broken?

Yes indeed, but this version of it does work here.

I believe it's IN who sings ~ Hoyt ~ Hoyt ~ Hoyt ~

 

It beats

 

Again doesn't work over here, maybe also not for Yob, but this version of it does work here for me for now.

P.S. - thanks for switching !

 

It's possible that you are correct that the planting of trees to off-set ones carbon footprint is a quixotic endeavor. However, at the time of our trip to New Zealand, purchasing carbon off-sets was considered a responsible action to take. So I don't feel I'm being hypocritical; rather, I think I'm learning and adjusting to new information.

When I first started hearing about the potential problems with climate change I understood that the negative effects would probably be relatively minor, and that they would happen a in generation or two, or three, in the future. So we humans could afford to be more casual in our responses. But as scientists collect more data, and the scientific models become more sophisticated, it's becoming ever more apparent that we are already seeing major negative effects from climate change, that the next generation will certainly be clobbered by the effects, and that it will take a much more serious effort on our part to accommodate to the changes, to say nothing of actually trying slow down the on-going train wreck.

 

One of my favorites from Spain

 

Re post #425:

The world's majority of people are hypocritical self-proclaimed AGW believers, if AGW is the problem then it would be solved when they start to act upon their so called believes.

 

What if climate change isn't anthropogenic, and what if climate change is bad for life on Earth, and what if human engineering and human activities can have an effect, slow it down, reverse it? What if we have the power to improve our world for our benefit? Does it matter if the changing weather that is apparently leading to the loss of coal reefs, reduction in wildlife habitats and the explosion of more and greater violent storms accompanied by rising water levels that equal a loss of real estate and expensive damage control? If the arguement is no longer, 'there is no disastrous climate change', does it matter what's causing it as much as what can we do about it?

If everyone is in agreement that we are in the beginning of a climate desaster, that's different than an argument that denies climate change all together. Yo thinks the warming trend will reverse into a chilling trend, I tend towards, there's not going to be a giant flood, but there were no chokecherries to pick this year because of the lack of rain. We are going to have some unsatisfied customers at the farmer's markets this Winter when we run out of chokecherry jam to sell. Our newly planted elderberries dried out and none of our jenny's eggs hatched. I blame climate change. What can I do to make it better?

-Will (Dragonfly)

 

Thanks again. Fixed again.

 

Only one suggestion right now Will, the hatch problem of all eggs might be caused by a bad rooster ?

P.S. - although OT on this thread, the Red Rooster by Dick Carter isn't bad at all . .

 

Will, they aren't interested in making things better. They just want to drag all the other little crabs back down into the bucket so everybody will be miserable. Any achievement or desire to thrive is frowned upon.

 

That's so funny. I have never heard anyone but my father refer to the Crab Bucket Mentality. I use it all the time, because it is so true.

-Will (Dragonfly)

 

I see you deniers have nothing to say and have devolved into your trademark inane chit chat mode. It's too bad you can't post anything to prove your points other than some corny music videos, everybody would be happy if you could just give some inkling you actually know anything helpful. Maybe you could post something pertaining to the thread? Maybe some facts or...

Meanwhile, I guess things will move on without you. Here's a very short statement with a picture. Try not to eat the crayons.




In 2019, Greenland lost twice as much ice as in a normal year

By Rasha AridiAug. 21, 2020 , 5:20 PM

In 2019, Greenland lost twice as much ice as in a normal year | Science | AAAS https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/08/2019-greenland-lost-twice-much-ice-normal-year

 

I read a Smithsonian article about Greenland's warming trend that actually had a reasoned and understandable explanation.

Because of the large amount of particulate matter from smog drifting over from the West, the snow in Greenland is heavy with black dirt.
I know, because I live in the North, that dirty snow melts in the sunlight faster than white snow. You can see the melt pockets that develop around dark particles. No mystery. The result is that snow in Greenland doesn't insulate the ground as well and they have been enjoying, according to the article, a much longer growing season for about a decade now. The greenlanders they talked to at the time, were pretty happy.

The article did not suggest greenhouse gases were the reason for the melt, although I'm sure it was just because they were focusing on the dirty snow for that article.

It was over ten years ago that I read the article, so I don't have a link to post. You can, I think, trust that I read such an article and remember enough to retain the gist of it.

Here, I found a NASA article about dirty snow.
Dusting the Virtues of Snow https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/DirtySnow

-Will (Dragonfly)

 

Some more snippets from the new Federal Report on Climate Change Risk that SamSam posted on yesterday.

Among the first of those risks already pervading the markets are falling home prices and rising mortgage default rates in regions where wildfires and flooding are worsening.

Extreme weather could cause swings in agricultural commodity prices, and climate-spurred market volatility could afflict pension and retirement funds, which invest across a range of asset classes.

The report emphasizes the need to put a price on carbon emissions, which can be done either by taxing or through an emissions trading system that caps carbon emissions and allots credits that polluters can buy and sell under that cap.

The report suggests that regulators should implement a climate risk stress testing program for banks.

The Securities and Exchange Commission should require that publicly traded companies disclose the risks to their bottom lines associated with climate change.

 

Natural world being destroyed at rate ‘never seen before’, WWF warns as report reveals catastrophic decline of global wildlife

Natural world being destroyed at rate ‘never seen before’, WWF warns https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-crisis-wwf-report-wildlife-biodiversity-david-attenborough-b420979.html