Is the ocean broken?

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  1. Landlubber
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    We went from <1 billion to >7 billion in 100 years......says it all really, we MUST stop breeding.
    The world can recover, but we will not allow it to, too much greed for money and goods to let things be....we are all buggered, just a matter of time.
    Maybe another war will sort out many of the population (elimination).....that most likely is the only way to get rid of so many people, then the natural resources have to be managed to be sustainable....but who is going to do that when a quid is involved and greedy folks wantimng more, faster, cheaper etc etc........sad eh.
     
  2. El_Guero

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    And when you reduce population growth to a balance in western, first world countries, the progressives disrupt the flow of new workers and retirees .... then they import from Muslim countries to destabilize western countries ....

    Ironically, 'Christian' populations, outside of the FSU, are growing much faster than other groups, but are not allowed entry in the same numbers .... discrimination?

    War might be the future if we do not fix it soon.

    Debacles like letting Dubai place their speculative debt on US & EU, thru their bankruptcy, are too common, and the formerly rich Western nations are no longer rich.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/dubai-has-always-been-ban_b_372795.html
     
  3. daiquiri
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    daiquiri Engineering and Design

    Looks like this word is your obsession... :p
     
  4. michael pierzga
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    I think that the next generation will behave differently. Instead of seeking economic growth, they will seek stability.
     
  5. daiquiri
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    I think the same way and am already noticing it, Michael. Something seems to change (albeit very slowly) in the way new generations perceive the order of importance of things. Money doesn't seem to be at the first place anymore.
    I am noticing that young generations give a lots of importance to human interactions and to social, ethical and environmental problems. The process is slow because kids are a mirror of their parents and of the educational system which raised them - and both are often characterized by a mental inertia and fear of big changes.
    But kids - they are swift, elastic and fearless, that is something which ultimately might save us all.
     
  6. michael pierzga
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    We shall see.

    the present generation worshiped growth . In order to achieved this growth they spoiled the environment, depleted resources and buried their lives in debt.

    perhaps the next genertion will value the most important things...clean air, water, food supply and community assets more than gdp growth
     
  7. El_Guero

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    Well, it could be, but I have found they get less excitable when called progressive than when called liberal.

    :D
     
  8. El_Guero

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    I hope so, but the only country doing any of that is Bhutan. And I do not see any of the other countries following.

    The US is the only country claiming to 'help others,' but I am not sure what good pulling over 2 billion people out of poverty did for the world.

    It sure added to the world's pollution and CO2 footprint -- and just about bankrupted the US. It was great for oil futures ....

    China is the only other economy big enough to be able to sacrifice for the common good - Japan is in worse economic turmoil than the US, and so is the EU.

    The rest of the BRICS are not interested in the world stage, and not large enough without China to do much. India is struggling - something is endemic in their system they cannot get beyond....

    Maybe the connected generation can overcome the last 40 years?

    It won't be easy.
     
  9. Yobarnacle
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    Yobarnacle Senior Member holding true course

    Well, six years have passed since the ocean was broken. Any improvement, gentlemen?
     
  10. Will Gilmore
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    Well, you could always rely on the natural limitations of resources, to control the population, or are the resources so much more important, that killing the population that lives off them is the preferable option?

    By the way, what is the FSU? I'm sure you don't mean Florida State University.

    -Will (Dragonfly)
     
  11. philSweet
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    I just saw a story about the humpback whales. Apparently researchers are ecstatic. They think the reduction in ship noise and other disturbances due to Covid has had a profound effect on the health of the whales this year. The takeaway from the brief report seemed to be that the whales are much happier this year.

    The Everglades have some mud banks between Flamingo and Key west in the Florida Bay called First National Bank, Second National Bank, and Third National Bank. A friend and restaurant owner in the keys grew up in Flamingo before it was a park. Those banks were called that for a reason. As a ten year old, he and a friend had to go out in a small rowboat and fill 3 fifty-five gallon drums full of fish every morning for use as bait by the adults. The adults filled the bigger boats with fish off the banks and took them to Key West. This was "making a withdrawal from First National Bank". They were handlining fish by the ton, and netting 100,000 dozen shrimp out of the creek entrances each month for many years. Flamingo had a population of about 40 back then. You need a guide to find a fish out there these days. The turtles were a serious navigation hazard in the shallow water. Famously, a lumber schooner ran aground on a big turtle in one of the creeks and broke it's back and sank, blocking the ICW for a long time. Conchs were construction material. Thousands of homes and other structures were made of conch cement and oystershell aggregate, called tabby.
     
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    Ecuador on alert after armada of Chinese fishing boats seen off Galapagos Island
    Posted by Leslie Eastman Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 12:00pm

    Some call it a floating city, a flotilla of 260 mostly Chinese fishing vessels near the Galapagos archipelago that is stirring diplomatic tension and raising worries about the threat to sharks, manta rays and other vulnerable species in waters around the UNESCO world heritage site.


    Yet the vast fleet is in international waters, outside a maritime border around the Galapagos and also outside coastal waters off Ecuador, which controls the archipelago. That means the fleet, one of the biggest seen in years off South America’s Pacific coast, is likely to fish with minimal monitoring until its holds are full.

    The fleet is a huge logistical undertaking, with storage and supply vessels that allow it to stay at sea for long periods.


    Ecuador on alert after armada of Chinese fishing boats seen off Galapagos Island https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/08/ecuador-on-alert-after-armada-of-chinese-fishing-boats-seen-off-galapagos-island/

    260 Chinese boats fish near Galapagos; Ecuador on alert https://news.yahoo.com/260-chinese-boats-fish-near-195624510.html
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    A II no senior member → youtu.be/oNjQXmoxiQ8 → I wish

    Re post #17 & #25:
    I'm not sure, but I'll guess the Former Soviet Union was meant in post #17: Post Soviet States

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    Former Soviet Union — Post Soviet States — in English alphabetical order:
    — 1. Armenia — 2. Azerbaijan — 3. Belarus — 4. Estonia — 5. Georgia — 6. Kazakhstan — 7. Kyrgyzstan — 8. Latvia — 9. Lithuania — 10. Moldova — 11. Russia — 12. Tajikistan — 13. Turkmenistan — 14. Ukraine — 15. Uzbekistan
     
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    hoytedow Carbon Based Life Form

    That's going to leave a mark.
     

  15. A II
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    A II no senior member → youtu.be/oNjQXmoxiQ8 → I wish

    Some posts are gone already, nevertheless a quote for them . . .

    https://kwize.com/pics/Herman-Melville-quote-about-society-from-Moby-Dick-1a9761.jpg

    ‘‘ whenever my hypos (hypodermics) get such an upper hand of me, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping into the street, and methodically knocking people’s hats off—then, I account it high time to get to sea as soon as I can. ’’ Herman Melville, Moby-Dick (1851)
     
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