Marina Design and equipment needed.

Discussion in 'All Things Boats & Boating' started by Wellydeckhand, Mar 30, 2006.

  1. Iya
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    Iya Junior Member

    Yes, there is nothing wrong with targetting US$100K boats, in fact they are the bread and butter of most marina. If you read properly perhaps you will get a better picture of what I written entirely.

    However, there is a cultural side of the boating community that you do not understand in my country. US$15 a meter a month is not cheap by local standard. As simple and 10 year old, 8 meter locally built center console with 10 years old Yamahas 115HP X 2 only worth very much under under US$10K. The owner must pay US$120 a month based on US$15 rate.

    Our boating community is not a matured one, especially those using locally built fiberglass boats. In the rude terms, one may call them cheapo by 1st world countries standard. There are shelters by rivers inlet where one can "park" their boat for less than US$ 10 a month ( size doesn't matter as longa as not too big to block traffic ) and hire a caretaker at US$20-30 a month just to make sure your boat does not sink in the event of a big rain. Most local boats do not built the boats with self bailing cockpits, therefore in big rain the bilge pumps need to pump out whatever the rain showers into the boat. How does one wash the boat.....just use the filthy river water...simple.

    So it is a different point of view alltogether. Those with imported yachts that pay to the teeth when new, they realized it is expensive to keep and maintain a yacht/boat and they know exactly what people are paying in Singapore, Hong Kong and Malaysia for a decent marina service & facility.

    Where Welly is located, the boating community is not matured. Jakarta city boating community is more matured and yet some are still lacking the proper in sight towards the real cost of owning a boat. They can afford to buy a yacht but failed to maintain them properly. A proper marina is part of the maintenance. In the end they get no joy from their boats.

    If Welly relies on foreign expats workers, they are also not the best bunch of customers in most cases. They think everything in Indonesia should be cheap but they forgot that the only cheap items is the land and labor ( quality is cheap too ) but most goods are imported.

    The most important thing is for Welly to calculate the possible income he can generate based on US$15 per meter a month or less if he can get a way around it. This will depent greatly on what kind of boats are out there is his area. Here we are trying to figure out customer spending power based on the object he owns and the maintenance requirement for it.

    If you do own a boat yourself ( I am sure you do ) you will realize that the older the boat gets, the lower the value of the boat becomes but the maintenance gets higher due to more berakdown or items getting too old and the mooring fee does not change because it will be either based on length or one fix price. It is so simple. A person spending on maintanenace of an asset will based his thinking on what he assumed is the worth of his asset.
     
  2. Wellydeckhand

    Wellydeckhand Previous Member

    yup, you sum up correctly about the situation in Jakarta. In my city Balikpapan, there are plenty of places and everybody can build their own marina. Unlike Jkarta the capital city is too crowded, with no land by the river suitable to built a marina, they are forced to built facing the sea and its condition, u will have heavy dredging due to sand deposit, built water breaker for the cruel waves, heavier marine patrol and security measures as the marina is too open in a sense. Due to heavy investment and the pure joy it is in a big city with what ever u desire...... also come the price tag.

    In Balikpapan, I do not wish to pamper the expats. They gonna pay for what they want but the marina will be according to the survey done with them in term of spec.

    If the marina is too flashy, the tribal concept of the marina will lose it theme over lusterous sounding. I do mean........... lean and mean for the place, expansion still a another day and another time.:p

    If I dont find fun and experience from what i am doin then i would have taken my money and go boating and dont care. I proberly will rot in Kalimantan when the time come so why not enjoy it, leave some fun for some other people.:):):)


    wellydeckhand:)


    P.S. I am still young but sound badly old.:p
     
  3. Wellydeckhand

    Wellydeckhand Previous Member

    Eer.......... Land is cheap to start with and It is a non fancy electric show of rich vessel, but homely and managable tribal marina, run by the local obidient dayak with honesty to match other.

    The rent of course will be in rupiah, my type of currency and a scale rate exponent to the size of the ship or boat.

    Indonesia need alot of marina to dot the other island. What the use of having a yacht if only able to visit Singapore Batam, Bali and back to Jakarta?

    As the saying goes: " A marina a day, keep the mood away" thats my line ( copyright protected slogan by international law, any violation of using and printing will be force to moor and stay at my local marina facilities.)


    Wellydeckhand:)
     
  4. Wellydeckhand

    Wellydeckhand Previous Member

    Tribal Dayak wood carving...... dotting the landscape and poles?
     

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  5. Iya
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    Iya Junior Member

    Bagus sekali Welly.
    Semoga suskes yah.....

    I am only 39 myself not too old.... ha ha ha
    If you have the land and the means, setting up a marina also for people and their families to have a hang-out place is a good thing. Sort of a club. In other countries that's part of the selling package. In Jakarta, both Marina lacks the cozy hang out facility.

    Yes, sell the atmosphere of your marina.

    All the best to you.....

    IYA
     
  6. Wellydeckhand

    Wellydeckhand Previous Member

    It seem I cant send PM, private message to you, u have not activate that facility from your userCP. I would like to know your yachts in jakarta..... and facility maybe we can contact each other at wellydeckhand@yahoo.co.id
     
  7. Tequila
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    Tequila New Member

    Bp Iya, I am also an expat living in Indonesia and I'd like to draw on your expertise and knowledge. I'm planning to build this boat:

    http://www.boatplans-online.com/studyplans/HB20_study.htm

    From your experience, could you make an approximate guess at what the total cost would be? The labor is not a problem, but the materials are what I'm wondering about.

    Terims sebelumnya

    K
     

  8. westlawn5554X
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    westlawn5554X STUDENT

    If you buy the plan you would have a material list and check price locally, That is not a hard boat to built, check your plan whether they suggest which material is suitable or you already have a preference.

    Semoga jadi bangun kapal ini... selamat.
     
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