Marina Design and equipment needed.

Right now teaching English and trying to learn the language... Looking for other opportunities as we speak. The moneys great and I am absolutely loving it.

 

Can u find some info on the Japan Marina and facilities? Maybe some digi picture? thanks for the help...................

 

no worries...

 

Maybe you could use one of these. It's 13 x 30 foot with 1' draft. Plans are at this site under "GIANT". Sam
http://www.atkinboatplans.com/

 

I got in the link but cant find what boat this is, can u briefly explain?...........

 

Hello, Welly

I think your views and all arrangments are drived from the point that you want to re arrange the whole environment arround you so it looks more westernised looking, that is not bad if you are starting on a bare piece of land with no facilities, but from the forum I understand that you are starting with a Mangrove based land, did you think of using the mangrove trees and making passages, and boardwalks on them, using them as your foundation, and adding some of these Fiberglass boardwalks, they look good, rearranging but within the same nature style you have, so you would end out with a modern marina looking that a lot of mangrove trees has grown inside it, this will save you a lot on foundations in the sea, and will not effect your eco system, also it will be very attractive to your expats, just see where the large Mangrove are, and start planning accordingly, all the rest will fall into place when you start working according to that.
Bank loans, i don't advise if you can afford to start without it.
Also you don't have to start all the project at once, you can start with the marina and the restaurant, and bring one or two of your containers and set them up as workshops, or stores and rent them out by the month where you can get a staedy income at the biginning and worry less about another opertaion.

 

Scroll down to 'Miscellaneous Designs' click on that and then scroll down to 'Giant- 30' derrick barge' Sam

 

I will explain for your good comment.

Ok, In India mangrove is use for burning fuel, but now protected. They found out that too much positive things happening below the tree growth. That is exactly the Indian way same as Indonesia.

But, the forest is creeping in this narrow river slowly threaten to suffocate the waterway. Now we just open up a section of the mangrove use the outer skirt to form a beautiful cove and excavate the land upward toward the landmass. The main Mangrove forest is still there.(actually I dont even occupied 1%)......... maybe I cant draw litearally a picture well enough in English lang.

Plain simple, I like dayak and also like the forest, the tree is like a mother to me, it nurtured me for the past 16 years of my stay in Borneo, and I will do good on my own will for the environment.

Yup, U are right, I am looking for sponsor in bank sector, they give umberalla, clocks and sponsor T-shirt........ they gonna pay more if they want billboard set on site.

It depend how fast you want to build it and how fast you wanna cash in....? I will do it slowly after the first phase as many are waitting........ do with my own cash. My dad sort of think I am crazy and took pity on me.

The end of this week , I have a survey pamplet to all expat asking opinion and what to adds.......... it is because during ANZAC day party I was headon asked and repeat advise from alot of people, most agreed with envie

I am young and crazy but I try to be careful.

Wellydeckhand

 

A Floating Derrick


Wherever there are ships and boats, large or small, floating derricks are needed because boats will sink in deep water now and then, and means must be available to re-float them; heavy moorings, and light, must be laid and re-laid; pilings hoisted from hard packed sand and clay; heavy masts and spars stepped and lifted out of boats; and many another operation of similar character performed as seasons afloat come and go.

Our Giant is a 30-foot over all by 13-foot beam scow, its draft being about 1 foot. Sides are straight and stand vertical, bottom is flat and the ends cut under somewhat to ease the work of towing. A pair of ample white oak guard rails extend all around the hull, one at the edge of the deck, the other 15 inches below. Half a dozen old automobile shoes would make good fenders.

There is enough room on the deck to land two Star boats or a couple of Wee Scots, a small cruiser or a small auxiliary. There is ample reserve buoyancy to carry six to eight tons and the derrick and its falls are designed to lift seven tons with a large factor of safety to spare.

Plans for Giant are $150
Study Plans are available for $15
(Refunded when full plans are purchased)

Thanks SamSam

 

Marina in Indonesia

Hi Welly,

I am indonesian too and based in Jakarta. I don't frequent this forum often and your marina project sounds interesting.

I am in the yacht sales business as a hobby and a user of marina facility myself.

Before you start any work on your marina, you best go to Jakarta ( Indonesia's capital city ) to see the Ancol Marina ( sucks !!! ), Pantai Mutiara Marina ( so so quality ) and the Batam Nongsa Marina ( Indonesia's best marina ). From Batam, you hop by ferry to Singapore and see the Raffles Marina ( Tuas, Jurong area ) and then the Republic of Singapore Yacht Club / RSYC ( Pasir Panjang area... I think )

Photos can't give you the "feel" of a marina because it is too huge. You also must feel the atmosphere by being there.

I read the post but not all, but I do feel your enthusiasm is strong. This is a good sign.

If there are say 100 boats of 10 meters ( or bigger ) to be your paying customers, your project may be worthwhile.

There are many aspecst of the marina that you must study well in advance before you build one. Learning of it from the web is not enough. Hiring reputable foreign consultant is only worthwhile if your project is the scale of Batam Nongsa Marina ( US$5 million and above ). Just for your information Batam Nongsa Marina is loosing money....lots of it, so is the Raffles Marina and RSYC in Singapore.

Raffles Marina can be called Asia's best marina that cost in excess US$30million to build. I can't remember the details but I spent a great deal of time there for my own yacht related work.

Go to the 4 marinas I mentioned, spend sometime there and when you have the feel of things and the prices they are charging plus all the available facilities. When you have done that, I will help you to explain what a boater needs based on what kind of yachts/boats they have.

If you are by the river and free from raging winds and waves, this info alone will save you lots of money because you do not need a breakwater to protect your marina. If the river is of a low salt content, overall maintenance of the facility will also be cheaper. If the high and low tide at the extreme does not exeed 1.5 meters, you are blessed too because you do not need floating pontoons....expensive and needs more maintenance.

Have fun studying those marinas.....and good luck with your project.

Regards,
IYA

 

Good thinking Iya, u lighten my day........ many useful information. I am intending to built sort of a traditional low cost and good quality plank walkway,the marina is to provide the local for the landlocked boat and the prospect of boat buyer that is worried about the purchased boat being stolen by thieves.

I have move another step forward, as I meet with few patriot dayak offical that care for their culture survival. The Forum Dayak Seni dan Kebudayan Kalimantan will be non-political and non-religion based soley on art, culture and education. I am the person that suggested the idea and program but will not be involve once it is running. I dont believe in gossip later saying I earn my living from the sweat of dayak people.

However, I will be one of the sponsor for the new place of dayak art bazaar at the new marina..... with a dayak long house built by the artistan. I have already do relocation of few dayak artisan families to the city, providing housing, food and new job at art shop. They are good at art but hopeless businessman, some of them was found bankcrupt and really poor.

I am just a human, I may dream but it take a bit good of my time and money to do it. I just think to be thought of as a good person for art when I was gone when ripe old age............. kick the bucket.

wellydeckhand

 

These are picture of boat in Tenggarong small river park.

You see, in Tenggarong with the island built for international dayak art and culture and with the cable car fan fare have only this small river marina to boast, typical can ask the local to rent your place when they can put it behind their home.

However, in my city, the expat who have the cash and want the facility will find a marina a good place to hang around and do their boats....... with my dock nearby.

I know as you say, you got to be at the site to feel the mood of the place. I felt something in the river cove and it is biting my mind really bad

wellydeckhand

 

Wally,

A good marina is not entirely about luxury. For Indonesia, it is not the time yet because the class of yachts/boats available are mainly under US$100K.
Dominantly they are outboard powered and locally built.

Those with US$300K and all the way to US$4 million price tag ( today's value in terms of their year built and condition ) is not very common. I would say in there are less than 100 yachts in this price group in the entire country and 75% are based in Jakarta. About 1/2 of these are valued averagely at US$ 500 to US$1 million.

I am talking of personal yachts and not commercial operations of live on board for diving or surfing or diner cruise like those abundant in Bali.

If your marina is for income generation, you have to think business and how to get back ur investment. If you are doing this for hobby, that's your call since profit is not the goal.

Most of the classy yachts are naturally based in Jakarta and very few outside Jakarta as their home port.

Do a market survey, how many boats are there in your are that will pay about US$15 dollars per meter lenght of the boat per month for mooring charges in a "decent" marina. This is about what they are charging in Jakarta for a simple but safe marina. There is also a membership fee of about US$300-400 per year or one time fee, depending on management and boat size.
These are the groups of people who will suport the very income of your marina to make the operation feasible. With these figure you can calculate the level of complexity for your marina project....based on possible income. Why make a Ferrari service center if there are only 2 cars in your area, make a Toyota service center instead.....this is just an example.

There is a minimum quality/Standard a marina should have and they are :

01. Protected naturaly by geography or by man-made breakwater from wind and waves and strong currents and from the wake of the passing commercial vessels.

02. Electric supply to keep the battery chargers running and to allow crew to live on board to look after the boat. In Indonesia, even a small 6 meter boat will have a crew or a captain. If the boat is upscale and have air-conditioners, allow dedicated power supply with a meter as extra charges. This boat can take anywhere from 5,000 watts to 12,000 watts for a 50 footer yachts. Allow electricity of 220V single phase and special built transormer for yachts using US type electric supply which is 110/240Volt.
This is a two phase 110V or 110V-neutral-110V....more on this detail later.

03. Constant supply of water to wash the boats and for bathing of the crews.

04. Strong mooring or pier where boats are attached to the pier and not boats on boats. Allow privacy for boats.

05. Depth of minimum 2 meters at lowest tide for power boats and 3.5 meters for sailing yachts with deep keel.

06. Easy supply of fuel, both diesel and gasoline....the permit and infrastructure maybe expensive. If you do in drums, the police may target you because the current law for those subsidized fuel have made boating a pain in the a$$ if you buy with drums.....technically illegal. Repot kan ?

07. 24 hrs good security. Thiefs are known to come by sampan and take things out of the boat or even dismantle an outboard engine lower gear case and even stern drives..... ha ha ha.

08. Radio station with at least 20 meters high antena for better coverage, Marive VHF units and typical Indo 144Mhz units.

09. Decent fire fighting equipment, quality Halon, lots of water and so on.

There are so many considerations and I can't list all, I am quite busy at the moment.

Simply put, do the math. If there is enough income from existing boaters or would be boaters attracted by your marina facility and it doesn't hurt your pockets, it should be then feasible and you adjust accordingly the minimum quaility of the marina as per the market needs. Plan well for future expansion.
Remember, there is a minimum "quality" needed to be achieved for a surviveable marina. You do too cheap and reckless at the start, it might cost you a big lost in the future.

One last thing and most important. Do a survey and see if any natural cause can shallow your marina from land erosion and so on. Since you are by the river, its worth checking. Dregding is very expensive. Ancol Marina spent about US$200-300K every 24 months to deepen the marina by dredging and still the overall depths is not that good and the water stinks like hell.

A friend of mine running a small marina ( 15 boats capacity ) can no longer afford to dregde the marina ( the quote stood at US$150K ) and now have to live with exessive low water level at low tide. A marina that doesn not allow a boat to go in and out at lowest tide is not a marina.

Good Luck Welly....

IYA

 

nothing wrong with targeting yatch under 100000 , thats me . if he can get my 100 dollars , more power to him. It can be a nice place to take my family ,,,,,,,,,,,,to avoid the worlds bull.longliner

 

Thanks IYA , I am speechless, you gave me constructed comment that will be consider heavy on the said project.

As I said before in previous post, the river is 8 meter deep, it is so because my dock is nearby also. We use the nature countor of the mangrove forlic to deter the river current. We will choose the right entrence to the marina and do the first digging, with long boom exchavator and move slowly behind.

Alot of people have experience in this swamp like condition and have been digging for empang for prawn and bandeng fish. They know the local soil condition and have been treating the land for ages. They know a lot about erosion. Of course , I have a few expat reviewing his method just in case he is careless and would cause error calculation.

I dont think, I expect a lot of luxury boat at that scale. I am waiting for those landlocked boat to park, expat bringing yachts from their country to moor, places for my charter vessel to standby for uses and a recreation place where local expat have a piss in the campfire and sing out of tune song of younger days.

The facitilites will be Fishing shop, Art Gallery, Hardware store, Grocery store (mini market), bookshop, open house coffee parlour, nice hot restaurant, 15 room of cheap room for land stay by the marina view, and a lousy dirtbag bar with over now 450 members of expat and national.

This town is small and everybody will buy a secured private cove to deal business and talk to old friend. The marina is more private than other marina with our system of member get friends who have still to pay and would be consider member if he got a boat park or month lease of boat lot. Non-boat member will be costly, non-member without permission to the marina ground, will be treated as tresspassing on private property.

There is other factor, this project create jobs to the honest but hopeless slave like dayak that need to survive. I cant promise too much as the main attraction is a clustered of building with dayak theather long house as the centre. The marina itself will be unique of tribal signiture seen thoughout the facilities. The place will be a start of the forum seni and budaya dayak kalimantan after it is built.

If everything fail, I can still use the land for my dockyard.

Wellydeckhand