Marina Design and equipment needed.

Welly, if you look closely at the pictures you have posted, the last ones, you are going to find it is called TEN real estate.

Marinas are expensive to build, they need a lot of maintenance and if you want them paid with the money from the berths’ rent, you are going to find that berth prices will be very high and that you will find very difficult to have them occupied.

That marina that you like (its a nice one) would be impossible to finance with the rental or selling of the boat’s berths. Only the real estate can generate the kind of cash that is needed to build a thing like that.

That is not an exception, even in Europe most marinas are associated with real estate business, and the ones that are not are in many cases subsidized one way or another.

So, if you don’t want to ruin yourself, use your energy to find the most beautiful spot in Indonesia (crystal clear waters, please), get a good architect and have a good and profitable development real estate plan associated with a marina. Then talk to the Indonesian biggest investors in the tourism area and try to involve them (or the government) and maybe they will be interested (if you can convince them that there is a lot of money to grab, they will be).

Of course there are some drawbacks in this particular moment, with the growing of terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism. Both are Tourism killers, but you can always try it.

 

Vega,

You are on the mark. I’ve worked as a coastal engineer for over ten years and have designed dozens of marinas (none of which would ever have encroached into mangroves) and I know of what you speak. Some environments are red hot for any form of docking or marina space, but again you will never break even without land based amenities to draw in revenue. People need a reason to pay top dollar for your slips.

Welly just likes to dream, and a marina that is three miles up river (without a navigable channel) and that is currently a mangrove marsh, and is surrounded by mangroves (with no existing land mass) is a fools dream. Oh by the way, he also wants to build it (including the dredging of the basin) for US$50,000.

He is just talking out loud because it makes him happy…let’s just pretend that he has a great idea and let him discover his folly on his own.


Jed.

 

So, Hollywood Florida looks to be built where there were once swamps, mangroves, Indians etc. Hollywood Florida looks to be a part of the problem as far as the destruction of the Everglades. I guess profit is the determining factor on whether it's good or bad. Sam

 

Ah..ha..happy hours..

Hey Walle..walle..don't worry..be happy.. the concept of marina business in Europe or mediteranean or US are totally different from what the concept is in Asia now..they are talking about marina business concept from 70's ..it is true to the business situation and climate in 70's right to early 90's..if you had like to wait for the climate to be just right like in 70's..it won't come again..:?: the situation now in your place and even in Malaysia is different.. be daring enough to built one..start developing from there..that marina will be the centre of development..:!: in the previous years it is the development that create marina growth..that is applicable in develop countries..but what you are trying to do is to cater to those develop countries workers thats so used to all those facility that considered a norm in their own country..but does'nt exist in Kalimantan.. from an investor point of view..your marina project do looks very high risk.. but I believe you had done your assessment right..the market is there..you might not be able to cope from marina berth renting to cover your operation but you can have it covered in other side business..to be able to develop a watering hole and a respectable club that is safe for all those few thousand foreigners is equivalent to having an oil well.. The situation in Port Dickson is different from yours..the owners just rent the berth..and go away..back to the big cities..and yet we are about 90% fully occupied at any time..those owners of big Heesen built motor yot right down to the cute Apreamare are mainly very well off corporate kings..they demand five star hotels and restaurant they demand this..and they demand that..and they pay for it.. for your case I had expect the workers themselves to be there..not the corporate kings..cater something to make them happy..away from home is very sickening in a lots of situation.. you had stayed in Australia for a few years..you should understand that..I do understand that feeling..Those who only understand US$ value and power won't understand the Rupiah..

 

I know marina estate are extreme of the berth option with all the glamour.

Land price is dirt cheap so rent price is same cheap. Cheap but professional.

There is no marina with alreay boat and vessel landlocked..... people are bored need new place to hang.

That is in Europe. Europe have small marina in canal..... must be all in bankcrupt now.... with your theory?

Yes, I have a beautiful spot in the white beach and white sand of Natuna, but population do not surpport the Industry and no present of expat community. My bet is still in East-Kalimantan.

That's in Jawa, the dayak can clean people who think of getting too deep in Kalimantan......... for example of cleansing Madura in Middle-Kalimantan? and West-Kalimantan Pontianak.

As I say, It is ok to give me critics and help, I like it, but the demography of Indonesia is good because investor are scared and I have my prefect economic barrier for the moment........ help my business growth.

WDH

 

Yeh....... so where is your web link?

Hai Jedclampit,

I almost missed you, are you busy with your big project?

Yup, you always right, I am also curious on the project you had done, can u show us just for eye opener?

Mmmm..... how u know that is no navigated channel? You been to my dock area? The future Marina is infront of my dock. The water is 8M deep. How much deeper you need? Are you going to park your icebreaker or Ocean Linear?..........?Pls with every question must give better data so I can return better Infomation.

About the dredge, If i can get for free, I would take it. You can buy scape and upgrade it....... cheaper............ dredger need no big engine to fly but pump action.

Actually.......... American are infamous on loadness....... not Indonesian. Yes I do enjoy sharing idea and doin it with friends. Remember I have real business with real investment....... This Marina will be second pirority to my livehood. I have discovered a lot of folly in my 16 years of business life. Survived the shaken economic evil that rock bottom our currency to US$1 to Rp. 15,000. And survive to smile and write back to Jedclampit.

If you have the time you can visit Indonesia for the real view of our economic situation?

Wellydeckhand

 

Ari,

They are refering to Asian build facilities without western standard would failed? It is a compromise of both world, what u need to ensure safety and what you can go without to safe cost. Economic pressure does applied on how much or how deep a pocket you have.

Building a ship is a safety issue as it involve life and precious merchandise. A Marina is a place to put your boat and vessel........ You can make it expensive or cheap depending your land price and facilities and money....... I intended to make it cheap and later upgrade to Glamour statue. We will see........... Thanks for the care.

WDH

 

welly I hope you make it a tourist attraction, a place to go to ,,,,,I might show up ,,,,,,,,,,,,,for free beer of course!

 

A big discount for people from the boat design forum.......... dont count the surface of yacht just flat fee........ what u think?

 

Not everyone has a big, new, shiny boat. Marinas differ also. The marina in the picture is in a backwater on the upper Mississippi river, the main channel is on the other side of the trees. The red tanks are fuel tanks, the launch ramp dock is typical of the others in the background. Some have steel tanks for flotation, some have styrofoam blocks, some are 3 or 4 logs with boards nailed on. In the early spring they are towed into position by a 30hp pontoon workboat equipped with a small tripod pipe derrick with a manual boat trailer winch, 1/4" cable and hook, and the pipes driven into the bottom through rings in the ends of the dock sections. The pipe holds them in place, the rings let them float up and down with the water level. In the fall it's all taken apart, the docks wadded up along the shore and cabled to trees to keep them from washing away in the spring with the high water and ice. 50-60 small boat spaces, $300 each for the season. $3 to use the ramp, there is a store with some basic foods, boat supplies, licenses, bait, soda and beer. They have no tavern license, but you can buy a six pack and go sit on the deck outside and drink it, there's a large grill you can use. Big boats and snooty,snotty people don't stop here and nobody misses them. Sam

 

Jeeesuschristttttttttttttttttttttt
just scares me lookin the photo....
don't you have any regulations on fuel tanks there?
haven't you ever seen an aereal fuel tank explosion by means of just passing along it's side with a cigar? the propper car engine makes it posible...
the security distance for road to fuel tanks (NFPA50) is 6.00mts (18')
electrical to tanks (NFPA30) is 4.00mts (12')
can't see on the photo any fire extinguisher...
I'm begining to understand that phrase printed on the dollar bills "In God we trust", will the Lord protect you all for long, because nobody else will do....

 

our power company does it the same way. not saying its right but thats the way it is ,sam sam I wanna be there!

 

SamSam,

That's the idea...... Many people think a marina gotta be big buck thing with mega tourist flowing in with big name on their chest........ you hit it real good...... cool!!!

I think in my area there are potential in the work for sea vessel habour that will be build, that will increase trafic volume and chance of repair or rent...... more people will have power boat need to store and cant do it anywhere cause the Area not safe from theives.

Marina in Indonesia are more to protect from people doing harm or stealing your vessel.......... think about it.


SOLRAC,

Fuel storage law in Indonesia is very hash for my area because the fuel can cause burning of sea coast village made of stick and wood....... so the villager made us professional.

Longliner45,

Nice to hear you back from work......... Thank care.

 

Welly, in Malaysia it is typical for us to berth our boat next to the house kitchen..just built a small jetty/berth by extending the the platform to deeper water..that if the owners house is by the riverside..if not.. than a proper berth need to be built.Years ago we doesn't have even one marina..now we have private and government run marina all over the peninsular and east Malaysia.Start small if you have to..but built it for sure..

 

Hi Welly,

I am in Japan if you need to source electrics.

Let me know what youre looking for and I can give you prices and break points where applicable.

Al