Boat design for protected saltwater

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by tinpin4544, May 10, 2018.

  1. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    That's an argument to buy a good used boat, so you'll be faster to the water and likely for less money, and you know what you'll get in advance, and it will be easier to swap boats to meet changing family circumstances, as well as changing financial possibilities.

    On the other hand building a boat yourself can be very rewarding, and you can build it exactly as you want, within the technical limitations as prescribed by physics, which are incorporated into the design of every good designer, and often there are many build options given in the design, for the boat of interest these could be; a center console, or a side helm station, or tiller steer, or a bow mounted helm in a small wheelhouse, and some plans have the option of or small cuddy to protect the family from the weather when needed.

    And there's a big chance it'll turn out to be cheaper as a hobby than sitting in a bar for example . . ;)

    Good luck !
     
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Some examples if you want to go the path of self building, I've picked them from the portfolio of forum member PAR, see post #12 on this thread, and his powerboats section.

    RYD-16.4 - (RYD = Riccelli Yacht Design, the number refers to the LWL, so the hull length is usually longer)
    Digger 17 (RYD-15.1), scroll down a bit for Digger 17, the shown center console is optional.
    PAR - Paul Riccelli - has proved to be very knowledgeable and very helpful about his own and other designs, so I'm sure you can ask all questions here on the forum, or through other ways if you wish to do so.

    As Jorge said in post #11, there are many other options too, so investigate the web and ask here and on other forums about your findings if you want to discuss them, and maybe some will post other suggestions here too.

    Good luck !
     
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    BTW, the same goes of course if you want to discuss here any other boats on the market, new or used, to be on the water right away . . :)
     
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    What is the maximum number of people you want to carry? What is the maximum combined weight of the passengers?

    How fast do you want to go in what conditions?

    Is stability of particular importance or do you just want to be "safe"?

    Saltwater vs fresh water by itself is not a factor in selection of the design. (I'm assuming the small difference in draft due to the different density of fresh water vs saltwater is not important for small boat recreational use.) Use and expected conditions (waves, wind, etc) are significant factors. More care due to corrosion may be needed in the selection of any metal, including fasteners, in a boat used in salt water.
     
  5. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    TANSL, just for the record, I have no problem with posting one's own product like you did in post #3, but the minimum level of decency requires to give at least full disclosure about the own commercial interests that are involved with this (post #5). Also when answering with a commercial plug of a own product to a publicly posted question on a public forum, one should at least be open to publicly discuss it where posted, and not trying to drag it away from the forum after the plug, otherwise it's just spamming of your own commercial interests, regardless who is being served by that. As you've done it here is an outright disgrace, especially since this is not the first time you do so.
     
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  6. PAR
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    Before any recommendation on mine or any other design, we'd likely need a little more about the use for the craft, the typical waters it would need to manage and crew/guest requirements. The two designs of mine shown are very different boats. One (RYD-15.1) is a clamming skiff, for protected waters, low HP outboard, very fast to get up on plane, etc., though with all the compromises that come with this style of boat if used inappropriately and/or over loaded. Simply put, this boat is fine for the casual fisherman in relatively calm waters, but progressively becomes uncomfortable as condisions degrade. These are common failings for a boat shaped like she is. To her credit, I can build the basic hull in a weekend and have done so several times. Conversely, the other design (RYD-16.4) is a much more wholesome boat, capable of taking on rough water, without drenching the crew or pounding the dental fillings out of the skipper's mouth. Her deadrise is significant enough to really cut through chop and nasty seas, but not so much that you need lots of HP just to get up on and maintain a full plane. Additionally, though not a true monohedren, she's shaped to get the boat up quickly, compaired to other moderately deep V hulls, with less power and she can motor at lower speeds than deeper V's too. Her entry is fine, but buoyant, so she doesn't plunge into head seas and generally a well defined set of shapes, long proven with other similar models. She's not nearly as fast to build, but nothing a novice shouldn't be afraid to try.

    Ultimately, it's the prospective builder that has to decide what's important to them, for the right design to be selected. I agree with David, in that it's the "scale" of the boat that's most important at this point. Too small or too large a boat, can easily get constructed, just to prove unsatisfactory underway or in practical use. This is why we tend to harp on folks, to refine the "SOR" so you can get close enough, that with minor modifications, you'll end up with a boat you're proud to have built, performs the way you've expected, maybe better and does all the things you'd hope it might, maybe more.
     
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  7. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Paul, many thanks for clarifying about the two designs of yours I've posted above.
     
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