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new Perini

 

Cat boat?

Par is right though. That is a schooner.

The only example I can think of where a boat type is defined by hull and rig and not rig alone is the chinese junk.

 

Correct me if im wrong but i understood a yawl to have the mizzen mast aft of the rudder post.

 

Yes... that is what I learned.

 

Thanks for the '67 Montanari. That is the sort of boat that turns my crank.

 

your definition is correct
but the boat in post n° 58 is hard define it, coz the mast mizzen is on axis of the last down pintle of the rudder

 

Nope, I just ran a straightedge down the aft face of the mast and it is still well ahead of the bottom pintle, in fact im not even sure what defines it as a cat anything, the main mast is close to where it would be on any ketch. To me it looks like just a ketch with freestanding masts. I say this because i really don't know what defines a cat rig, is it the placement of the mast way forward or is it just that its freestanding rig?

Steve.

 

The way the rig is held up has nothing to do with it's definition as a cat. A cat is any boat with a mast in the eyes of the boat without a headsail. It can have multiple masts, assuming the forward most is in the eyes.

The Tanton "cat yawl" (post 58) is a bit of a stretch in both a "cat" or a "yawl". The pivot angle of the rudder is considered the "post" on a transom hung and this is clearly aft of the mast step, so technically it's a ketch, though it is designed with yawl proportions, which isn't all that uncommon. I even have a couple of ketches with yawl proportions.

This is a Tanton 43 and clearly a cat ketch. They've done quite a few.



I have several (as have many other designers) cat designs and it's not a difficult definition, though Windraf does seem to have considerable trouble with rig definitions.



One of my ketches with yawl proportions



One of my cat ketches.

 

Is not that I have problems with classifications rigs, is stuff that is on the front pages of all the books of disclosure , is that in many circumstances the simple classifications are not suitable and sometimes even misleading.
In the post n° 58 is the designer that wrote yawl, not I.

 

Cox's Bay Skimmer: 5.5 x 2.25 metres.

 

That's the first reasonable, intelligible post you've made Windraf. You're also correct in that some have taken "liberties" with definitions, though this doesn't discount what they actually rate as. For example, the Tanton cat yawl would be classified as a ketch, in spite of any insistence it is something else. My previous post wasn't directed at you so much as it was to Steve, who asked. I'm not sure what you mean with "on the front pages of all the books of disclosure", but I've never seen a mismarked rig on the cover or first few pages of any of the dozens of books I own.

We agree on two separate points Windraf, maybe this can be a new beginning for you and I.

 

Thanks Par for confirming my take on the Tanton boat as being a simple ketch. I have never really studied the cat boat definitions but what you say is what I had always thought also but you see many boats with a single unstayed mast placed further aft such as the Hoyt designed Freedom 21 and 25 as well as some of the larger Mull designed Freedoms referred to as cat rigged even though they are far enough aft that some of them carry a camberspar jib and a spinnaker. Perhaps some of them should be referred to as Una rigged the way we do with catamarans like the A class and others which carry just a mainsail on a mast in a similar location.

Steve.