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Discussion in 'Sailboats' started by WindRaf, Dec 11, 2014.

  1. hoytedow
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    Egli è un vero artista. È così anche PAR.
     
  2. WindRaf
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    This is a Chinese Junk


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    and this is Jester, Blondie Hasler


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    Question:
    what is Jester, a junk or a Folkboat with junk rig?
     
  3. ceproof87
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    Check it out this one [​IMG]
     
  4. WindRaf
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    hola ceproof87
    who is the beauty?
    you or the boat?
    he he
     
  5. PAR
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    You still haven't answered this simply premise (after two requests), which is one that you brought up (see below) in the first place !!! Without using the rig, tell us poor uninformed, barely capable (particularly in light of your tower intellect) fellow members how a schooner (or any other type) can be described without defining the rig?

    I'll ask again (for the third time), without using the rig, what makes any particular boat quality or feature a schooner? What's different about a schooner hull for example, that makes it less suitable as a sloop or ketch? And again, a lugger is a lugger, but this is slang. A lug rigged schooner is still a schooner, even if you'd prefer to use the "lugger" slang.

    Simply put, everyone here (exception noted) has earned a level of respect through several means; previous contributions, previous work, industry activities and reputation. You on the other hand haven't answered any of the reasonable questions or attempted to refine your previous positions, on various subjects. Your clear difficulty interpreting what is obviously a second language, makes this more cumbersome, but maybe it would be simpler if you briefly stated who and what you are, your experience level, expertise, etc., so that we might be able to take your ramblings seriously, or discard your posts as simply nonsense from an armchair designer, attempting to justify the absurdities on your blog.
     
  6. WindRaf
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    PAR PAR...

    post 23
    Every real expert knows that the typology of a boat is not determined only by its sailing rig.

    post 34
    is just what you can not understand, PAR.
    You classify the boats only fording the sails.
    But so you ranks only sails,
    Not the boat as a whole.
    A lugger is a lugger for the whole of its historical concept, and if the sailing rig is a bit changed continues to be a lugger with the sailing rig modified: in fact exist luggers even with one sail.

    I can add that there are also lugger with ketch rig and yawl rig
    cat boats equal.

    Classify boats only for their sails is a superficiality that is good only for the low nautical culture.
    If one who calls himself 'expert' makes this simplification means that its nautical culture is the nautical culture of a beginner.
    Are you that not ever answer to my questions: the Jester is a junk or folkboat?

    I have no need to say, as you do, for each post, who I am and how good I am, maybe also offending others. Typical attitude of the weak.
    My arguments speak for me.

    True, the language ....try you to support a such discussion in Italian. And in another thread you've done also on this irony.
     
  7. PAR
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    Yep, they sure do, which is indicative of the ranking you've received in the two and a half months you been contributing here.
     
  8. WindRaf
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    In the Jester, the centre of the sail, and the longitudinal center of effort, are, rightly, well spaced.
     
  9. WindRaf
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    in my archive there is also the 29 by Primrose
     
  10. WindRaf
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    ah, is not for sell, only for to show that i know what i'm talking
     
  11. bpw
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    In English, the boat you posted is a schooner, no matter what the hull looks like. Maybe that doesn't translate well to Italian, but we are working in English at the moment and should stick with the English definitions of words.
     
  12. WindRaf
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    ..and,, what is this ....a cat boat or a yawl?

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  13. WindRaf
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  14. WindRaf
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    cat yawl means that is a cat with yawl rig
    also in english
     

  15. WindRaf
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    ...brig



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