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Discussion in 'Education' started by DakotaH., Oct 12, 2013.

  1. michael pierzga
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    Concerning Russia, recently I recieved an email from Transas Marine offering digtal small craft charts for Russian Inland waterways. this is a huge geographic area. The market for russian inland liesure and commercial waterway craft will grow.
     
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    China and Russia are 'culturally damaged' through the policies of their totalitarian socialist governments directly targeted the expressive arts in a way unseen before. While the USA and Euro 'cultural damage' you state is an effect of individual expression against a median society loosely sheparded by the state, Soviet and Chicom cultural damage was an enforced state policy against the individual to shape a particular type of society. Rather than allow individual expression, they beat everyone into a mundane state approved norm where conformance was more rewarded than excellence. By enforcing a minimum standard on all "workers", they effectively never developed a upper strata of elite "craftsman" in any expressive field (the US on the other hand marginilized our middle class craftsman into effective non-existance, I know that the craft skill of a 2013 shipyard worker is not as good as a 1980 one..."conformance to requirements at lowest cost" and pay based on loiter time being a big driver in that). With only a large base of minimumly skilled workers and no craftsmen to draw on, everything produced will have a drab sameness, especially if that sameness is enforced through government control. For nuts and bolts that's a good thing, for esthetics it is not.

    The logic of your first sentence doesn't follow. Permier class "cruising" is not a local function. Its whole basis is for not being in your local envrons and looking at the same type of things. While there is a certain amount of familarity needed (i.e. dining/bathroom facilities), the whole idea is to go someplace extra-ordinary, similiar to the european Grand Tour taken at the end of high school/college. So while chinese cruise passengers will increase worldwide and even especially in south-east aisa, it does not follow that the ships will be built in China when the whole idea of the trip is to be exotic.

    Oh, no doubt that both China, Russia, and even the USA build small river/harbour cruisers for domestic use (usually as required by law), but to build for the world cruise ship market those countries are not competitive for reasons other than engineering or cost.

    Anyway, to end this hijack, I hope that DakotaH can see how the threads of Naval Architecture touch and run through the threads of the world. A Naval Architect needs to be concerned not only about the engineering, but the historical, economic, and societial issues that shape the design and operation of ships. It really is everything...keel to truck, cutwater to dunce cap. After being in the field, everything else looks limited and mundane. College (and especially Webb with its winter work that sends you all over) will open your eyes in more ways than just to the arcane skills of the naval architect, it will open your mind to the limitless universe....that is, we will soon be needing extra-planet ships and IMHO Naval Architects are far better suited to do this than aerospace engineers...they think too small.
     
  3. michael pierzga
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    True, but an important tool in a graduates box is language. The client needs to communicate with his engineer regardless of build location.

    Globalization
     
  4. DakotaH.
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    Okay,
    My next question, scholarships. Are there any scholarships available for highschoolers looking to become naval architects?
     
  5. michael pierzga
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    In the perfect world you could visit your schools careers guidance councilor and recieve all the best current information.

    There is a major defect in the system.

    Not to change the subject but i have a niece presently attending university in the US. Engineering. Full scholarship, industry
    work study. I believe thecorrect term is CoOp, Her speciality is Aircraft engines and 3d printing.

    There may be other ways to get a top class education, have someone else pay for it and end up as a naval architect.
     
  6. Eric Sponberg
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    There are two undergraduate scholarships available through The Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers (scroll down this page):

    http://www.sname.org/SNAME/EducationOptions/Scholarships

    You may have access to other scholarships through the Universities. Remember, Webb Institute is totally free, all expenses paid if you are accepted. There are also naval architecture programs through the Naval Academy in Annapolis, MD, and the Coast Guard Academy in New London, CT. The Naval Academy is free if you get in, thanks to tax payers. I am not sure about a free ride at the Coast Guard Academy, but you should ask your state's US Senators--they have to nominate you for admittance. Coming with the free education is a military committment of some years.

    Eric
     
  7. michael pierzga
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    Must you start your education as a naval architect or is it Easier to graduate as an engineer then pursue the profession of naval achetect.

    When i visit a big shipyard I meet many engineers and perhaps only one naval architect

    What the story ? All these engineers designing marine structures...are they also naval architects ?
     
  8. Eric Sponberg
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    When I went to college, we graduated about 20-30 naval architects and marine engineers a year, at UofM alone. All the other schools did about the same. I don't think that has changed much over the years. Many went to shipyards, others to design offices, some went into business with an MBA, some went into ship operations. Some were structural engineers, others were more into mechanical type engineering, others were more into design. But all came from the naval architecture and marine engineering programs, and it says so on their diplomas. So while you may see only one "naval architect" at a shipyard, you may have to look a little more closely at the backgrounds of the staff engineers to see where they got their education. They may look like they are just number-crunching engineers, but many of them probably went to a naval architecture and marine engineering school. At least that is so in this country. Spain may be different.

    Eric
     
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    The SNAME scholarships you gave me asks for a "displaying evidence of professionalism and involvement in SNAME." What should I do to provide 'evidence'?
     
  10. DCockey
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    US Coast Guard Academy is the same as the US Naval Academy - all expenses are covered as long as the student graduates. If they don't gradate then they may have to reimburse the US government for the expenses incurred for their education.

    We talked with a retired naval architecture/engineering faculty member from the Naval Academy. He said it's a great place for the right students who want to be there, but can be a terrible place for the wrong students. He also mentioned that sports are an important part of student life at the Naval Academy.
     
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    I don't know the answer that question, so it is best directed to Erlinda Faustino who is the scholarship contact listed on the link. Send her an email and I am sure she will respond. If she doesn't, let me know and I'll see what I can do to expedite a reply.

    Eric
     
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    I emailed her right before responding to this thread.
     
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    There are many sources of scholarship money available to students, so I urge you not to limit your search to only those organizations offering funds solely to naval architecture students. Dollars are dollars, whether for studying engineering or basket weaving.
     
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    Showing up at the local section meetings (which generally have benefits/reduced cost for students) and introducing yourself will go a long way to fullfil that requirements. As I said before, social networking is an important part of getting to a palce you want to go. The marine field in the US is still a fairly small, so a few contacts who can possibly write recommendations will be a big step towards being considered for a scholarship. Also like NavalSArtichoke posted, there are other scholarships out there, many by companies at specific schools based on degree. While no school except the academies are truely cost 'free' (there is always room and board), there are many funding sources available for tuition once you are in. I will state from experience, that once you are accepted to Webb or UofM, don't worry about the tutuion money if you keep your grades up.
     

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    What are the job prospects, salary , for newly graduated naval architects compared to other engineering graduates ?
     
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